Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #1574

[Tork1945]

Try this one.

Scoreboard after challenge #1573 : Otto Timm 1914 tractor biplane.

303.00 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
262.00 Rbailey ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
107.20 richard B ☼☼
66.30 Aquilius ☼☼
50.60 Tork1945 ☼
41.50 YavorD ☼
39.45 Lodzermensch ☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
30.90 Missouri Mule ☼
30.58 Rod Filan ☼
25.95 Froggy ☼
19.50 Albrecht
19.20 Breguet
16.90 Flamingo
12.00 Brad
11.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.80 Alex1965
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 EdStevens
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.40 JohnMacG
09.20 Rufe
08.50 Doc
07.70 Berman
07.60 trp81
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
07.00 Old Man
06.70 dpolglaze
06.70 Ampovandak
06.50 Pfalz-Scout
06.40 John McKenzie
06.30 HoHun
06.20 Maze
06.10 Jim
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Luf-Rick
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 vossiewulf
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.60 sergio_vitalio
05.40 RAF56_Ball
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Catfish
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 machinist
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L
................... Above this line, have to wait 12 hours
................... Below this line, may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.40 RC Gardner
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Linhawk
03.00 Lupodimontenero
03.00 Totalspoon
02.50 MickMcGrath
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Expositor
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.50 TimothySielbeck
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Quakelord
01.00 AWP101
01.00 redbaron1917
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
01.00 Flamel
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Doug las7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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[Tork1945]

No trials till now..... the machine is from somewhere in Europe (meaning inclusive Great Britain, the Brex@@ was not a high priority in the 1914-1918 war).

Tork1945

[Rbailey]

Taking your last post as a hint that it might be British, how about the elusive Wight triplane flying boat, about which I have yet to find anything.

[Tork1945]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

Taking your last post as a hint that it might be British, how about the elusive Wight triplane flying boat, about which I have yet to find anything.

It is not the Wight triplane flying boat, which was designed according to Admiralty Specification N.1.b (Admiralty Type 4). One sample was ordered on 16th December 1916 and it was flown by the White's test pilot during September 1917.

No pictures or drawings / sketches could be unearthed by master historian Michael H. Goodall as described in his top study of the Wight production dating from 1973.

I left the road a bit, but another hint it is not British or English or from Great Britain. Look into the rest of Europe.

Tork1945

[Rbailey]

Then how about Adrien Rémy 's type RII of 1917? Other than that it was a triplane hydravion I know nothing about it.

[Tork1945]

[QUOTE=Rbailey;715071]Then how about Adrien Rémy 's type RII of 1917? Other than that it was a triplane hydravion I know nothing about it.[/QwasUOTE]

The Breguet Challenge is not the very rare triplane designed by Adrien Rémy and identified as the Triplane type II R. This design was actually built and ready for test in February 1917. But to really test it a boat was needed to tug the flying boat to a starting position. Although Rémy requested boat assistance by the French Navy he never got it and as a result the machine was never flown.

On 13 April 1917 the Rémy Triplan was hauled in the water (from the shore) and it was at least tested that the machine was perfectly stable on the water.

I have never seen any pictures of the Rémy Triplan but would be surprised none were taken of the occasion. Perhaps somewhere in archive or museum material ?

Source:

https://www.wikimanche.fr/Adrien_Rémy

The actual Breguet Challenge does originate from France also.

Tork1945

[Tork1945]

I hinted that the machine originated from France. It has a connection to Dutch pilot Siebrand Koning a former skating champion, who turned to aviation in 1911 and obtained the brevet de l'Aéro Club de France No.567 on 5 August 1911. In WW1 he was sometime a testpilot for one of the French aviation firms.

Tork1945

[Rbailey]

To continue groping blindly, Koning had an association with Donnet-Leveque, which morphed into FBA, which had a triplane flying boat in 1917-18 of (to me) unknown appearance.

[Tork1945]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

To continue groping blindly, Koning had an association with Donnet-Leveque, which morphed into FBA, which had a triplane flying boat in 1917-18 of (to me) unknown appearance.

Siebrand Koning apparently did some (test) flying with Donnet-Lévêque and d'Artois flying boats in the pre-war years.

Although you noticed there seems to have been a FBA / Franco-British Aviation triplane built during WW1 this Breguet Challenge does not depict that obscure design.

Tork1945

[Rbailey]

One reference to Koning refers to him as an aeroplane builder and pilot. We're not dealing with the Koning flying boat here are we?