Looking for info on these a/c serials

Ross · 29 June 2016, 12:58 AM

Hi guys,

Just looking for information on any of these aircraft:

DH-6
C2048
C7606

Avro 504
E1751
E1757
E1762
E1763
E1774
B or E4281
B or C4356
C or D4444
D5488
C5823
C5826
D7703
D7706
D7718
D7756
A8532

Sopwith Pup
B6054
D4125

Sopwith Camel
D5412
D6318

Nieuport
B3474 - 23
B1665 - 17

Bristol Fighter
A7194

My Great Grandfather flew these aircraft whilst stationed in Egypt in 1918. I don't have any information on these aircraft other than the Bristol, which we have tracked down a picture of.
I understand it's a bit of a stretch that anyone will have much on these, but you never know until you ask...

Ross

minimax · 29 June 2016, 03:40 AM

You will find histories on the airhistory.org.uk website
The queried Avros are B4281, C4356 and C4444
Fuller history for Pup D4125 is:
Recd 'X'AD ex UK 25.6.18;
School of Aerial Fighting, Heliopolis 23.8.18; Became 5 Fighting School Heliopolis 5.9.18;
Engine cut out on take off, into trench and turned over 6.9.18 (Lt WF Knight);
Repaired on station;
Undershot on landing, hit ditch, went on nose 15.9.18 (Lt A Finlayson);
Repaired on station;
Damaged in heavy landing 2.10.18 (2/Lt A Laskey); Repaired on station;
Forced landed with engine trouble in field, overturned in long grass, Gezira 15.10.18 (Cdt/Off J Tzerachis);
To 38th Wing ARS Heliopolis;
5 Fighting School Heliopolis,
SOC 21.3.19

YavorD · 29 June 2016, 06:17 AM

Both Nieuport machines were delivered to R.F.C. from the same pool of aircraft, the difference in serial numbers is misleading, both Nieport 23.
B1665 Nie.23C1, N3804 flown to 2 AD ex-Paris on 9 May 1917 ...
B3474 Nie.23C1, N2680 flown to 2 AD ex-Paris on 26 May 1917 ...

There are couple of books containing individual histories of Pups, Camels and British Nieuports.

Regards,
Yavor

MikeMeech · 29 June 2016, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross

Hi guys,

Just looking for information on any of these aircraft:

DH-6
C2048
C7606

Avro 504
E1751
E1757
E1762
E1763
E1774
B or E4281
B or C4356
C or D4444
D5488
C5823
C5826
D7703
D7706
D7718
D7756
A8532

Sopwith Pup
B6054
D4125

Sopwith Camel
D5412
D6318

Nieuport
B3474 - 23
B1665 - 17

Bristol Fighter
A7194

My Great Grandfather flew these aircraft whilst stationed in Egypt in 1918. I don't have any information on these aircraft other than the Bristol, which we have tracked down a picture of.
I understand it's a bit of a stretch that anyone will have much on these, but you never know until you ask...

Ross

Hi

An article in 'Cross& Cockade International Journal' of Spring 2016 might be of interest to you. This is 'Wings Over Suez - The History of RFC/RAF Training in Egypt 1916-1919' by Ray Vann and Mike O'Connor. It includes information from Mick Davies in a 'Logbook' section on representative aircraft (serials) at various units. There is also a section on RFC & RAF Officer and Cadet fatalities during 1916-1919 also if that is of interest.

Mike

Ark Royal · 30 June 2016, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeMeech

Hi

An article in 'Cross& Cockade International Journal' of Spring 2016 might be of interest to you. This is 'Wings Over Suez - The History of RFC/RAF Training in Egypt 1916-1919' by Ray Vann and Mike O'Connor. It includes information from Mick Davies in a 'Logbook' section on representative aircraft (serials) at various units. There is also a section on RFC & RAF Officer and Cadet fatalities during 1916-1919 also if that is of interest.

Mike

Bristol F2b A7194 does in fact crop up in the CCI article.

5 Fighting School RAF. Formed at Heliopolis in 38th Wing, ex SAF & SAG 5.9.1918. Formed lettered squadrons for tribal suppression 1919. Disbanded 22.7.1919.

Checking for others now.

Ark Royal · 30 June 2016, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross

Hi guys,

Just looking for information on any of these aircraft:

DH-6
C2048
C7606

Avro 504
E1751
E1757
E1762
E1763
E1774
B or E4281
B or C4356
C or D4444
D5488
C5823
C5826
D7703
D7706
D7718
D7756
A8532

Sopwith Pup
B6054
D4125

Sopwith Camel
D5412
D6318

Nieuport
B3474 - 23
B1665 - 17

Bristol Fighter
A7194

My Great Grandfather flew these aircraft whilst stationed in Egypt in 1918. I don't have any information on these aircraft other than the Bristol, which we have tracked down a picture of.
I understand it's a bit of a stretch that anyone will have much on these, but you never know until you ask...

Ross

Some more for you Ross:

DH6, C2048, 21 Reserve/Training Sqn. RFC/RAF, to Egypt, June 1916. To Maoscar, (Ismalia) and 32nd Wing, 5.11.1917. Re-designated 18 TDS, 21.7.1918.

DH6, C7606, 18 Training Depot Station, RAF, Formed in 20th Wing, ex 21 TS at Abbassia, 21.7.1918.

Sopwith Pup, B6054, 19 Training Depot Station RAF, Formed in 32nd Wing, at El Rimal, ex 195 TS, to 69th Wing, September 1919.

Nieuport 17/23, B3474, also 5 Fighting School, (as per my previous post)
Nieuport 17/23 B1665, 'ditto'

Ross · 4 July 2016, 06:02 PM

Thanks for that guys, really helpful!

Graeme · 5 July 2016, 03:38 AM

Bristol A7194 was flown by both No 111 Squadron and No 67 Squadron (1 Squadron AFC). In just a month with No 111 Sqn, it was involved in five claims:

on 8 October 1917, 2nd Lt R C Steele & Lt J J Lloyd-Williams shot down an Albatros Scout that fell in Allied territory

on 15 October the same crew claimed an Albatros Scout as destroyed between Shellah and Sharia

on 30 October Capt A H Peck & Capt J J Lloyd-Williams shot down a two-seater north-west of Khalasa

on 6 November the same crew forced a Rumpler two-seater to land at Um Dabkal and shot it up on the ground

and on 8 November this crew shot down an Albatros Scout in flames over Huleikat.

Taken over by 67 Sqn/1 Sqn AFC at Mejdel, A7194 was involved on a reconnaissance on 17 January 1918 in which an Albatros Scout was engaged over El Lubbar and some accounts suggest it was claimed as out of control by Lt L M S Potts & Lt F W Hancock.

A7194 was crashed by Lt Garson & Lt Letch on 27 March and ended its career at No 5 Fighting School, Egypt.

Graeme

Graeme · 6 July 2016, 12:22 AM

Information on a few others:

B1665 - Nieuport 23; 29 Sqn; Albatros D out of control east of Ypres 08:50 16.7.17 (Lt WB Wood); Albatros D out of control 11.8.17 (Lt FW Wilson); wrecked near 21 Sqn after engine failure on IP 17.10.17 (2nd Lt RBE Turnbull); to Egypt 12.2.18; 19 TDS El Rimel by 11.18; 5 FS Heliopolis

B3474 - Nieuport 23; 1 Sqn; Albatros D out of control Zonnebeke 19:42 16.7.17; Albatros D broke up north of Polygon Wood 07:50 and Balloon in flames Wervicq 08:00 21.7.17; Balloon in flames west of Lille 07:30 22.7.17; Albatros D out of control east of Polygon Wood 08:00 24.7.17; Balloon in flames south of Westroosebeke - Gheluwe 13:50 and Balloon in flames south-east of Houthulst 14:10 28.7.17 (all Capt WC Campbell); wounded in combat in attack on Mouveaux aerodrome 31.7.17 (Capt WC Campbell WIA) [Oblt Eduard von Dostler, Ja6, 21st victory (?)]; DFW C out of control Polygon Wood 16:00 4.9.17 (Capt LF Jenkin); crashed at 28T13d58 after losing prop during practice 6.11.17 (2nd Lt VFS Dunton); to Egypt in case 9.5.18; 5 FS Heliopolis 10.11.18

C5826 - 19 TDS Shawbury; killed due error of judgement 29.9.18 (Flt Cdt AJ Simpson KILLED)

D4125 – School of Aerial Fighting Heliopolis (became 5 FS Heliopolis 5.9.18); ran into trench and overturned due engine failure on take-off for instructional flight 6.9.18 (Lt WF Knight); undershot aerodrome on landing and hit ditch during instruction went over on nose 15.9.18 (2nd Lt A Finlayson); heavy landing on instructional flight 2.10.18 (2nd Lt A Laskey); forced landing in field and overturned at Gazira due engine failure while under instruction 15.10.18 (Flt Cdt J Tzerachis)

D5488 - to Egypt as spares; accident 8.1.19 (Capt JJ Williamson INJ)

Graeme

Ark Royal · 6 July 2016, 09:20 AM

Top notch detailing Graeme.