Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #1058

[Dave_Kent]

For your consideration

Dave

Scoreboard after Challenge #1057: David Stanger 1914-Model Aeroplane


162.10 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
140.25 Rbailey ☼☼☼
61.60 richard B ☼☼
42.40 Aquilius ☼
36.55 Lodzermensch ☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
30.58 Rod Filan ☼
27.90 Tork1945 ☼
26.40 YavorD ☼
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.40 John McKenzie
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Jim
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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[richard B]

Bonjour

Airship with five horizontal surfaces :
Italian FORLANINI F.2 " città di Milano "

first flown on 17/8/1913 , it was destroyed on 9/4/1914 ...

Cheers

Richard

[Rbailey]

Keel and vanes at the stern look like the Italian dirigible Citta di Milano.

[Dave_Kent]

Richard has it by a second or two.

The Italian airship FORLANINI F.2 " città di Milano "

Over to you Richard!!

Dave

Scoreboard after Challenge #1058: FORLANINI F.2 " città di Milano "


162.10 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
140.25 Rbailey ☼☼☼
62.60 richard B ☼☼
42.40 Aquilius ☼
36.55 Lodzermensch ☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
30.58 Rod Filan ☼
27.90 Tork1945 ☼
26.40 YavorD ☼
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.40 John McKenzie
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Jim
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

[Tork1945]

For more information look here in Flight 1914.

Tork1945

[Rod_Filan]

I knew full well I'd never get up early enough to get this challenge, but I did prepare information to add.

F.2 Città di Milano
Built in 1912 by Ing. Forlanini and by Captain Cesare Dal Fabbro, with funds raised from a public subscription to provide an airship to the Regio Esercito (Royal Army). Specifications: length 72 m, diameter 18 m, volume 11,500 m³ (also reported to be 12,000 m³); two Isotta Fraschini engines of 85 hp driving two counter-rotating three-bladed propellers with a diameter of 4.20 m; speed 64 km/h. Like the previous Forlanini airship, this too had a rigid frame incorporated with the lower part of the envelope. For safety all the material was treated with a fire suppressant and the envelope was double-skinned. The F.2 was short-lived: first flown on August 17, 1913, and making a total of 43 ascensions, it was destroyed in a fire on April 9, 1914 near Cantù in the province of Como.

[Enrico Forlanini] constructed a second and improved dirigible by 1912, called Citta de Milano. The circumstances attending the loss of the Forlanini airship Citta da Milano showed what great risks were run by any gas-supported aerostat in close proximity to even the glowing ends of cigars or cigarettes. The career of this vessel had, up to the time of the mishap which destroyed it, been singularly free from accident, and this fact and the equally successful career of its predecessor, the Leonardo da Vinci, tend to show that under normal circumstances the Forlanini is an excellent and safe type, and well worth further experiment, inasmuch as the design of the airship had nothing whatever to do with the disaster, whereas in the case of the last Zeppelin destroyed by fire in peace time, the accident was, as far as we know, entirely due to the design, which permitted an accumulation of gas from leakage in close proximity to the engines.

The loss of the Citta da Milano on 09 April 1914 was due simply and solely to the crass stupidity of the peasants and others who assembled to watch the proceedings when, in order to repair a leaky valve, it was brought to the ground in the course of a cruise, in charge of a perfectly competent crew, the well-known Major Del Fabbro, of the Italian Airservice, being also on board. The vessel was moored to the ground and to some trees with both hemp and steel ropes, the crew being assisted by men belonging to a farm near which the descent had been made, and expert assistance was sent for. Before the necessary repairs could be made to the valve, the ropes gave way and the airship was driven for about 170 yards against some mulberry trees. She was again moored, and the commanding officer decided to deflate the bag. A crowd of peasants gathered to watch the operations. The soldiers could not drive them back. Indeed, they could not be even made to give up smoking. As the deflated bag fell over towards the crowd on the left side, several explosions followed hard on one another. A great blast of blue flame shot out from the airship, and passing away left behind nothing but a twisted mass of framework and a struggling body of human beings. About eighty people were more or less seriously injured.

Source: globalsecurity.org Italian Dirigibile

Originally Posted by Tork

For more information look here in Flight 1914.

It was intended for the F.3 to be sold to the British government, however because of the outbreak of WWI the airship was retained by Italy. (see attached British cigarette card showing the F.2)


Cheers