Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #1049

[Rod_Filan]

Submitted for your approval:

An interestingly notable example of the type.
I'll require a precise designation, or very close to it.



Good Luck.

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #1048: Otto Timm aerobatic biplane of 1916.

159.10 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
138.75 Rbailey ☼☼☼
60.10 richard B ☼☼
41.40 Aquilius ☼
36.55 Lodzermensch ☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
30.58 Rod Filan ☼
26.90 Tork1945 ☼
26.40 YavorD ☼
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.40 John McKenzie
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Jim
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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[Catfish]

Hello,
unfortunately the gondola itself is invisible in the crowd or landing party, but this should be a british Submarine Scout 'Zero' or SSZ airhip, a further developed or advanced Submarine Scout (SS) 'pusher' blimp, if you so want.

Hints are the form of the hull, the 'star' at the nose (also present on other SS ships), the indicated keel-like protrusion along the center underside (to distribute the air pumped up through the hose to the fore and aft ballonett), the three fins (certainly also found on other blimps of the time), the two 'flaps' left and right at the sides in the middle with the stiffening sticks (the later SS twin had two of those on every side), the general gondola rigging with the 'Hanepoten' attached to the hull, and the rear hose leading up to the "keel" and ballonetts.
Engine should be one rear-mounted Rolls Royce with 75 hp, this is of course not visible ..

Greetings,
Kai

[Rod_Filan]

Very well, but which one?

.. the two 'flaps' left and right at the sides in the middle with the stiffening sticks (the later SS twin had two of those on every side),

These are the gravity-fed fuel tanks.

.. 'Hanepoten'

I'm not sure I know what this means.



Cheers

[Tork1945]

Originally Posted by Rod_Filan

I'm not sure I know what this means.

I know what it means.

Tork1945

[Rod_Filan]

A better look at the Hanepoten ... and the Hen party

Cheers

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by catfish

unfortunately the gondola itself is invisible in the crowd or landing party, ..

Same ship. Different location.

The air ballonet pressure relief is different on this one. I've not seen this extended tube in photos of this type before. Perhaps it was an experimental idea.


Cheers

[Catfish]

Well, this nozzle is new to me - you say this is another form of the air ballonett pressure relief valve ?

This one fellow with the strange hat confuses me - canadian ?
Did you photoshop the cockade etc. away, or was this ship really grey all over without letters ?

Ok the gondola is surely a SSZ one, but which ship exactly i have no idea, they must have built a hundred (?) of them.

Cheers,
Kai


PS "Hane-" or "haanepoten" is dutch i think, meaning a chicken or rooster foot/claw (or hen foot) - you use that on classic wooden ships to describe one cable "fanning out" into several branches to distribute the pulling weight over a greater area - SL airships also had that. Sry for the crappy description

[Rod_Filan]

Well, this nozzle is new to me - you say this is another form of the air ballonett pressure relief valve ?

I think it's just an extention to the relief valve located between the forward and aft ballonet... to allow air to vacate the ballonets when the lift gas is expanding during a quick ascent. The extention tube is added for what reason exactly? ... I don't know, other than to maybe facilitate controlling the escape of air from either ballonet independently. That's just a guess. I'll post a closeup of it in due course. Maybe someone can come up with an explanation as to its purpose.

This one fellow with the strange hat confuses me - canadian ?

Not Sgt Preston of the Mounties. Not at all Canadian.

Did you photoshop the cockade etc. away, or was this ship really grey all over without letters ?

Apart from a few mouse droppings swept away, nothing has been removed or added to either photo.

Ok the gondola is surely a SSZ one, but which ship exactly i have no idea, they must have built a hundred (?) of them.

Yes you're right, but this can only be one. The challenge photo records a certain "first" event. Its terrain is very indentifiable. The distance between these two photos is 82 miles, or about 132 kilometers.

PS "Hane-" or "haanepoten" is dutch i think, meaning a chicken or rooster foot/claw (or hen foot) - you use that on classic wooden ships to describe one cable "fanning out" into several branches to distribute the pulling weight over a greater area - SL airships also had that. Sry for the crappy description

Not a bad description...I figured out as much. There's a construction term (in English) for these attachment patches ... offhand, can't think of it right now.


Cheers

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Ok the gondola is surely a SSZ one, but which ship exactly i have no idea, they must have built a hundred (?) of them.

77 of this class were built. That narrows it down for you a little.



Cheers

[Tork1945]

Originally Posted by Catfish

PS "Hane-" or "haanepoten" is dutch i think, meaning a chicken or rooster foot/claw (or hen foot) - you use that on classic wooden ships to describe one cable "fanning out" into several branches to distribute the pulling weight over a greater area - SL airships also had that. Sry for the crappy description

Hanepoten (Haanepoten is a misspelling) is Dutch. 'Haan' is a cockerel, 'poten' are feet (plural). The connotation of Hanepoten is quite clear as it only means 'bad writing' or 'someone who has a hand writing which is almost unreadable'.

Tork1945