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24 June 2024, 09:23 PM
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What is it?
That airfoil on the axle between the wheels on German airplanes -- for examples, Fokker Dr.I, Roland C.II -- what was that called?
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25 June 2024, 12:28 AM
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I,m not sure but i think it was some kind of wing to compensate the weight of the landing gear and wheels.
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25 June 2024, 12:38 AM
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I think they called it the landing gear wing or center wing.
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25 June 2024, 02:16 AM
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The 'airfoil covering the axle'…
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In the German book "Fokker Flugzeugwerke in Deutschland 1912 – 1921" (by Peter M. Grosz and Volker Koos) this piece is described this way:
"durchgehende Achse mit Flügelprofilverkleidung".
This could be translated as:
"one-piece axle with wing profile fairing".
At least in connection with Fokker I'm sure that he had the intention to create some additional lift, while partially eliminating unwanted drag of the landing gear at the same time.
Any comments are welcome…
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25 June 2024, 06:39 AM
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2 photos for details...
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https://imgur.com/a/fF5W6Pw
An interesting (additional) detail are the "Bavarian style" stockings of the German pilot...
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30 June 2024, 10:15 AM
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Vielen Dank.
I thank you for the translation. I did not need it. I speak and read German. Before I read your translation, I translated Flügelprofilverkleidung as 'wing profile dressing'.
To me, Flügelprofilverkleidung seems cumbersome. Tells me they sewed that word together from parts. Why not Achseflügel?
I thank you again.
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Originally Posted by Volker_Nemsch
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In the German book "Fokker Flugzeugwerke in Deutschland 1912 – 1921" (by Peter M. Grosz and Volker Koos) this piece is described this way:
"durchgehende Achse mit Flügelprofilverkleidung".
This could be translated as:
"one-piece axle with wing profile fairing".
At least in connection with Fokker I'm sure that he had the intention to create some additional lift, while partially eliminating unwanted drag of the landing gear at the same time.
Any comments are welcome…
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30 June 2024, 11:25 AM
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Der "Achse(n)flügel"…
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So far, your translation is correct. The problem is, that the term "der/die Achse(n)flügel" does not exit in the German language.
Since I never heard this word before, I checked it in connection with online dictionaries and search-engines and always got a negative response. Neither the texts, nor the pictures or video clips offered something in correlation with the "special wing like axle fairing of the late Great War Fokkers" – for Achseflügel as well as for Achsenflügel. Have a look here:
https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=%22A...=v223-1&ia=web
https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=%22A...ages&ia=images
https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=%22A...deos&ia=videos
The daily problem of a translator is, that there are many ways to describe the same thing. Give a few lines to 10 translators and I’m sure that more than half of the translations will differ somehow.
And there is a typical (?) German problem: Is it really necessary to make things simple, when there is a more complicated way existing?
A simple problem of nationality and language…
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Last edited by Volker_Nemsch; 30 June 2024 at 12:15 PM.
Reason: ... minor changes...
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30 June 2024, 11:32 AM
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Making it complicated...
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30 June 2024, 12:21 PM
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Not making it complicated !
Taking the information only from contemporary Idflieg , B/B drawing , unfortunately ! ,..........we have only the quite simple word :-
Fahrgestellflugel .....
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Alternatively , in original "Fokker" engineering drawing , Fahrgestell-Zusammenstellung EV 23050 "...the plywood wing part in discussion is named :-....
23050/1 .... Fargestellf lache(m)ru mpf .....
Unfortunately some of the letters ( here in light) ,...are disappeared due to age & one has to guess .
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Last edited by John McKenzie; 30 June 2024 at 02:52 PM.
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30 June 2024, 02:52 PM
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Well...
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... "Fahrgestellflügel" (landing gear wing) really makes sense.
At least it describes that Anton Fokker had more in mind than just some kind of (streamlined) covering of the axle.
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