Wreckages, please help to ID planes

[photowar]

Dear forum members! Please help to ID crashed planes models and variants if possible in these photos.

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
Alexander

[YavorD]

(1) Farman HF 27 [upside down picture]
(2) Voisin LA

[photowar]

Originally Posted by YavorD

(1) Farman HF 27 [upside down picture]
(2) Voisin LA

Yavor many thanks!

[skyhook]

The upside down plane is indeed a Farman, but i think it is actually a Farman F 30. The Undercarriage and the higher placement of the nacelle point that way, also the type of radiator. Both types were in use by russians, the F 30 and (30bis) was a bit more numerous than the HF 27. Great photos, some rarely seen details there. Thanks for sharing...

[YavorD]

There are many differences between the HF27 and F30 but for the picture in question not much is visible. There are variations in engine and wings configuration on Farmans.

• On the Farman wreck I do not see the whole undercarriage which could be an easy distinguishing feature: four wheels for HF27 or just two for F30.
• Another important feature is position of the nacelle: Bottom of the nacelle on top the lower wing on HF27 or raised above the lower wing on F30.

If the nacelle is raised above the lower wing then the correct answer is F30, if it is not the case, then HF27.

Regards,
Yavor

[photowar]

Crashed HF.30 ...

[photowar]

Moscow aviation school Farman emergency landing ... What variant of Farman is this, any chance to tell?

Thanks in advance,
Alexander

[skyhook]

Great photos! Thanks... they are both F30, like also the one in the upside photo. HF27 has the same length of both wings, F30 and F30 bis have the lower wing ending at the outer strut post.

cheers, Skyhook

[skyhook]

oops...correction, the plane on the hangar roof has a rotary engine, so it is not the F30. But the wing arrangement is the same as in F30. Might be a HF.21?

[photowar]

Skyhook, many thanks! Enlarged fragment of this photo ...