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20 December 2017, 05:33 PM
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enemy aircraft captured 1914-1916[?]
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21 December 2017, 02:23 AM
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Here one can see both on same photo
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21 December 2017, 03:32 AM
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And here is...
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... a good (retouched) photo of the "Aviatik": http://rosalielebel75.franceserv.com...-aviation.html  .
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21 December 2017, 07:09 AM
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E 541 number?
Indicate among the first 500 planes made?
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21 December 2017, 07:35 AM
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21 December 2017, 11:42 AM
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According to...
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... the German system of aircraft designations, "E451" makes no sense. Maybe the censors did a bit more than just retouching details.  But you may try "B.451/14" or "B.451/15" , although I don't know if these serial numbers will fit to a specific aircraft built by Aviatik... And, dear PFFF, you can try to find out, if the biplane really was built by Aviatik - maybe there was another company? .
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Best regards from Germany Volker Nemsch "My words came out fine. The problem is that they were incorrectly processed by your brain." (???) "Much to learn, you still have." (Yoda) "I never said all that shit!" (Confucius) Last edited by Volker_Nemsch; 21 December 2017 at 12:01 PM. |
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21 December 2017, 04:16 PM
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The Taube looks like its engine is a Mercedes D.I. Is that correct? Ransom
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23 December 2017, 04:21 AM
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I have doubts...
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... that the Germans still used older versions of the "Taube" with 4-cylinder engines along the front in France - so the 6-cylinder Mercedes D.I would have been the choice to give the already outdated aircraft (a design of 1910/11) a bit more urgently needed performance. Unfortunately I can't see enough details to say more about the engine type of the captured aircraft, because the oval exhaust manifold conceals further details. So it is not more than a guess...  .
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26 December 2017, 11:17 PM
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Dear PFFF...
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... check the serial numbers I mentioned and the valuable hints other Forumites shared. You'll find some surprising results...  Asking (unspecified) questions is easy - giving (helpful) answers isn't... .
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30 December 2017, 03:36 AM
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The "Aviatik" on the photo…
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… is no Aviatik at all. It is a DFW B.I and there also existed such a machine with the serial number B.451/14. Below you’ll find another good picture of this aircraft as well as some more information about the type: https://imgur.com/a/opGfe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DFW_B.I Old errors are still errors… .
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