Karl-Emil Schaefer

[tcrean7828]

Mates,
Does anyone know the aircraft that Ltn. Karl-Emil Schaefer was shot down in?

I know it was an Albatros but do not remember if it was a D.V or a D.III and what was the serial number?

Thanks in advance

tcrean7828

tom

[Gregvan]

Hi Tom,
Albatros D.V and D.Va expert Charles Gosse has closely examined the photo of the wreckage of Schaefer's Albatros, and determined that it was a actually a D.V (not a D.III as frequently supposed). It must have been one of the first D.V's delivered to the Front, and we know that Jasta 28 received several of these.

As for serial number, it's not recorded as far as I know.

Greg

[Volker_Nemsch]

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... Schäfer flew an Albatros D.III. The serial number is not mentioned.

"Nachdem er seinen 30. Sieg errungen hatte, starb er im Kampf am 5. Juni 1917. Um 16:05 Uhr wurde seine Albatros D.III während eines Gefechts gegen FE2d Jäger der 20. Squadron des Royal Flying Corps vermutlich durch die Piloten Lieutenant Harold Satchell und Lieutenant Thomas Lewis über der belgischen Stadt Ypern in Brand geschossen."

The English and French entries in this connection do not mention the type. But Wikipedia is not always a totally reliable "fountain of truth"...


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Sch%C3%A4fer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Emil_Sch%C3%A4fer
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Emil_Sch%C3%A4fer
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[tcrean7828]

Originally Posted by Gregvan

Hi Tom,
Albatros D.V and D.Va expert Charles Gosse has closely examined the photo of the wreckage of Schaefer's Albatros, and determined that it was a actually a D.V (not a D.III as frequently supposed). It must have been one of the first D.V's delivered to the Front, and we know that Jasta 28 received several of these.

As for serial number, it's not recorded as far as I know.

Greg

Mates,
Thanks for the clarification.

tcrean7828

tom

[Gregvan]

Tom,
I suggest you check page 66 of Lance Bronnenkant's "The Blue Max Airmen, Volume 7." Quote:

"According to Ed Ferko (via Peter Kilduff), Jasta 28 received four new Albatros D.Vs on 21 May 1917 (serials 1001/17, 1006/17, 1008/17 and 1010/17). It is likely that Schaefer, as Staffelführer, would have used one of these new models. Moreover, Albatros specialist Charles Gosse has determined that certain parts of Schaefer's wreck (see page 54 above) are characteristic of the D.V. Thus it would seem that he died in one of the four listed above. Offz.-Stv. Max Müller and the RFC communique describing Schaefer's last fight referred to his aircraft as red, so we can be fairly certain that he had adopted his former unit's color scheme for his D.V as well and had at least the fuselage and wheel covers painted red."

As I said, for a long time it was assumed that Schaefer's final Albatros was a D.III - thus the German Wikipedia entry. However, in light of this 'new' evidence I have no doubt he was flying a D.V.

Greg

[sator]

Does anyone have a photo of that crash that they can post here ?

[tcrean7828]

Originally Posted by Gregvan

Tom,
I suggest you check page 66 of Lance Bronnenkant's "The Blue Max Airmen, Volume 7." Quote:

"According to Ed Ferko (via Peter Kilduff), Jasta 28 received four new Albatros D.Vs on 21 May 1917 (serials 1001/17, 1006/17, 1008/17 and 1010/17). It is likely that Schaefer, as Staffelführer, would have used one of these new models. Moreover, Albatros specialist Charles Gosse has determined that certain parts of Schaefer's wreck (see page 54 above) are characteristic of the D.V. Thus it would seem that he died in one of the four listed above. Offz.-Stv. Max Müller and the RFC communique describing Schaefer's last fight referred to his aircraft as red, so we can be fairly certain that he had adopted his former unit's color scheme for his D.V as well and had at least the fuselage and wheel covers painted red."

As I said, for a long time it was assumed that Schaefer's final Albatros was a D.III - thus the German Wikipedia entry. However, in light of this 'new' evidence I have no doubt he was flying a D.V.

Greg

Mate,
Greg that is outstanding information - now I just have to track down which of the 4 belonged to Schaefer and who the other three went to in Jasta 28w.

See you at the seminar.

tcrean7828

tom

[R Gannon]

Note of Schaefer's red Albatros on the Ypres sector comes as early as 1 May when Jasta 28 clashed with 1 Sqn - Capt ED Atkinson reported a brilliant red Albatros with an exceptionally good pilot. It is again noted by 20 Sqn crewmen in fighting on morning of 26 May between Houthem & Comines. 56 Sqn & 46 Sqn pilots also note a red Albatros in the fighting Roulers-Moorslede on 4 June.

Cheers Russ

[tcrean7828]

Mates,
I looked at what I have and have no clue as to who was assigned to these Albatros D.V aircraft received on 21 May 1917 (serials 1001/17, 1006/17, 1008/17 and 1010/17) at Jasta 28w?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

tcrean7828

tom