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14 August 2016, 11:01 AM
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Breguet's Crashfile ID Challenge # 992
 Scoreboard after Breguet's Crashfile ID Challenge # 991 : Avro 504 114.45 FLAMINGO ☼☼☼☼ 100.80 FOKKERJ Feuchwanger ☼☼☼ 86.50 Froggy ☼☼☼ 76.95 Lodzermensch ☼☼☼ 76.20 YavorD☼☼ 60.00 richard B ☼☼ 53.30 John McKenzie ☼☼ 43.60 Rbailey ☼ 42.00 Albrecht ☼ 39.80 Breguet ☼ 19.25 AROTH 18.45 AQUILIUS 16.80 '14-'18aviationcollector 16.30 Varese2002 16.00 ONEALM 15.50 Brad 12.80 Patrick 12.00 Pfalz-Scout 11.30 Rod_Filan 11.00 Missouri Mule 08.50 RAF56_Ball 08.10 Gregvan 07.50 matte_kudasai 07.40 Expositor 06.00 Dan_San_Abbott 06.00 Machinist 05.75 Ross 05.70 Jeroplan 05.50 Gilles 05.50 sergio_vitalio 05.25 Rexee 05.20 Albatros1234 05.20 Crankcase 05.50 Laserlloyd 05.20 SCMc 05.10 Catfish 05.00 Albatros_Ace 05.00 Kilian ............. Have to wait three hours 04.50 Rufe .............. May start immediately 04.00 Al Forbes 04.00 Berman 04.00 Edmondy 04.00 Eric 04.00 Sobrien 04.00 Timothy Seilbeck 03.80 gregorydquist 03.30 PaulForster 03.20 Colin A Owers 03.20 vossiewulf 03.00 Crimso 02.70 Tbstreet 02.50 Willi Von Klugerman 02.00 Cruze 02.00 Johnnick 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.80 Tom L 01.50 Nieuport 14 01.50 Tally Ho 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.10 Jellytwig 01.00 AEFSPADs 01.00 ArisKosionidis 01.00 airwarrior 01.00 Ampovanda 01.00 brisfitworks 01.00 Cigogne 01.00 Cliff 01.00 Graham Hunter 01.00 Lyle 01.00 Mark 01.00 misa2 01.00 Pvernon 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 RONNY BAR 01.00 Stargazer 01.00 Tork1945 01.00 Troy Raines 01.00 ulpilot Breguet's Crash Files™ http://members.shaw.ca/flyingaces/br.crashfiles/ THE RULES: 1) All aircraft are of the 1914-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period). 2) The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. 3) All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely! 4) To be eligible for correct ID an answer should include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in it's identification. 'Should' ecomes 'must' once a score of 25 is reached. 5) And whoever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host! 6) If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. 7) The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet. In cases where the arbitrator's game answer is in question the decision rests with the current leader of the table. |
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15 August 2016, 07:15 AM
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Hmmmm... I'm going to take a stab at this.
1) The streamlined fuselage and shape of the tail surfaces tell me it is a Roland. (LFG) 2) It gets harder from there- the features that would tell you if it is a D.I or D.II are obscured by the "bystanders." 3) The later markings however lead me to believe that it is a D.II I will therefore say this is a Roland (LFG) D.II. As an aside, Pfalz built more of these aircraft than did Roland, and that is where Pfalz learned the construction techniques used on their subsequent designs.
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15 August 2016, 07:40 AM
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Correct, Brad!
According to Jack Herris, this is a Bulgarian Roland D.IIa Scoreboard after Breguet's Crashfile ID Challenge # 992 : L.F.G. Roland D.IIa 114.45 FLAMINGO ☼☼☼☼ 100.80 FOKKERJ Feuchwanger ☼☼☼ 86.50 Froggy ☼☼☼ 76.95 Lodzermensch ☼☼☼ 76.20 YavorD☼☼ 60.00 richard B ☼☼ 53.30 John McKenzie ☼☼ 43.60 Rbailey ☼ 42.00 Albrecht ☼ 39.80 Breguet ☼ 19.25 AROTH 18.45 AQUILIUS 16.80 '14-'18aviationcollector 16.50 Brad 16.30 Varese2002 16.00 ONEALM 12.80 Patrick 12.00 Pfalz-Scout 11.30 Rod_Filan 11.00 Missouri Mule 08.50 RAF56_Ball 08.10 Gregvan 07.50 matte_kudasai 07.40 Expositor 06.00 Dan_San_Abbott 06.00 Machinist 05.75 Ross 05.70 Jeroplan 05.50 Gilles 05.50 sergio_vitalio 05.25 Rexee 05.20 Albatros1234 05.20 Crankcase 05.50 Laserlloyd 05.20 SCMc 05.10 Catfish 05.00 Albatros_Ace 05.00 Kilian ............. Have to wait three hours 04.50 Rufe .............. May start immediately 04.00 Al Forbes 04.00 Berman 04.00 Edmondy 04.00 Eric 04.00 Sobrien 04.00 Timothy Seilbeck 03.80 gregorydquist 03.30 PaulForster 03.20 Colin A Owers 03.20 vossiewulf 03.00 Crimso 02.70 Tbstreet 02.50 Willi Von Klugerman 02.00 Cruze 02.00 Johnnick 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.80 Tom L 01.50 Nieuport 14 01.50 Tally Ho 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.10 Jellytwig 01.00 AEFSPADs 01.00 ArisKosionidis 01.00 airwarrior 01.00 Ampovanda 01.00 brisfitworks 01.00 Cigogne 01.00 Cliff 01.00 Graham Hunter 01.00 Lyle 01.00 Mark 01.00 misa2 01.00 Pvernon 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 RONNY BAR 01.00 Stargazer 01.00 Tork1945 01.00 Troy Raines 01.00 ulpilot |
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15 August 2016, 11:39 AM
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I was curious about the ID of this plane, and decided that the lack of the fairing around the base of the tail skid was a point in favor of its being a D.IIa. Ransom
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15 August 2016, 01:09 PM
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I believe that the lack of tail fairing indicates that it was a Pfalz built aircraft. The primary difference between the II and IIa was the engine.
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15 August 2016, 01:36 PM
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Last night I googled up a 2004 contribution to this forum by Dan San Abbott in which he said the greater weight of the Argus engine compared to the Mercedes led to the engineering out of over 200 pounds airframe weight in the D.IIa compared to the D.II. Other than the greater number of access panels in the cowling of the D.IIa he didn't mention any specific feature, tho he did say the structure was lightened throughout. Ransom
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15 August 2016, 02:50 PM
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The information I have seen says the nose is slightly longer due to the longer engine- on the D.IIa.
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