Breguet's Crashfile Challenge # 880

[YavorD]

Welcome to the Breguet's Crashfile Challenge # 880 !
Good hunting!
Yavor

Breguet's Crash Files™ records

Scoreboard
after the Breguet's Crashfile Challenge # 879 :
Breguet 14 B2, Escadrille BR 128

114.45 FLAMINGO ☼
96.80 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ☼
76.95 Lodzermensch ☼
64.30 Froggy ☼
60.00 richard B ☼
45.20 YavorD ☼
42.60 Rbailey ☼
38.20 John McKenzie ☼
34.80 Breguet ☼
27.00 Albrecht ☼
19.25 AROTH
18.45 AQUILIUS
16.30 Varese2002
15.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
12.80 Patrick
12.50 Brad
11.30 Rod_Filan
09.50 ONEALM
08.10 Gregvan
07.50 matte_kudasai
07.40 Expositor
06.00 Dan_San_Abbott
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Gilles
05.25 Rexee
05.20 Albatros1234
05.20 Crankcase
05.20 Laserlloyd
05.20 SCMc
05.10 Catfish
05.00 Albatros_Ace
05.00 Kilian
05.00 machinist
05.00 Pfalz-Scout
05.00 RAF56_Ball ............. Have to wait three hours
04.50 Rufe .............. May start immediately
04.00 Al Forbes
04.00 Berman
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Eric
04.00 Sobrien
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 vossiewulf
03.00 Crimso
03.00 Missouri Mule
02.70 Tbstreet
02.50 Willi Von Klugerman
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Johnnick
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.50 Tally Ho
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.10 Jellytwig
01.00 AEFSPADs
01.00 ArisKosionidis
01.00 airwarrior
01.00 Ampovanda
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cigogne
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 Mark
01.00 misa2
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Stargazer
01.00 Timothy Seilbeck
01.00 Tork1945
01.00 Troy Raines
01.00 ulpilot
00.50 Aeronaut

The Rules:

1. All aircraft are of the 1914-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!
4. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in it's identification.
5. And whoever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!
6. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
7. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet. In cases where the arbitrator's game answer is in question the decision rests with the current leader of the table.

[RAF56_Ball]

Twin boom, inline engines, 3 bay wings, I would say a Caproni Ca.33

[machinist]

Unique landing gear, number of wing bays, wing tip skids, lack of nose wheel, leads me to conclude this is a Caproni Ca.5.

[machinist]

[ONEALM]

Was this one of the "I wanna go to France to be with the Northern Bombing Group, but I have to land somewhere upside-down first" Capronis ?

[machinist]

Originally Posted by ONEALM

Was this one of the "I wanna go to France to be with the Northern Bombing Group, but I have to land somewhere upside-down first" Capronis ?

The original photo is from a photo album featuring photos from the 96th Aero Squadron

[ONEALM]

I'd say that's a Ca.5 as well and one of the those sent to France from Foggia, destined for the NBG. I would guess Ca. 11577, 11587 or 11597 . 11577 was wrecked by George Lewis and 11597 was wrecked by Nat Robertson so perhaps 11587.

[Froggy]

Bonjour

The Caproni Ca 5 11587 was designated B-4 -so not our candidate
and the Caproni 11597 piloted by Fred Lambert and Nat Robertson,
crashed on 21 july was designated B-1
World War I: American Caproni Pilots in Italy

[ONEALM]

Thnaks for that Bruno. Most of it appears extracted from Edward Davis Lewis' book "Dear Bert" a compilation of the letters and diary entries of his father George M.D. Lewis.

There's a photo of CA. 5 11577 in the book - which looks slightly worse than 11597.

Unrelated to the Crashfile, the webpage is at odds with some other references. "Lt. Coleman DeWitt" (sometimes called "Coleman Dewitt Fenafly" in Italian references) Should properly be Lt. DeWitt Coleman (from Tenafly, NJ !). According to a report by Lt. Norman Sweetser who was part of the team that discovered the wreckage and recovered the bodies of the crew, This was Ca 5. 11669. According to Sweetser "...The Austrians had taken the motors and stripped what was left of the bodies. Coleman and the two Italians were badly burnt. Bahl was not burned but had been robbed of everything except underwear."

[RAF56_Ball]

Originally Posted by ONEALM

Was this one of the "I wanna go to France to be with the Northern Bombing Group, but I have to land somewhere upside-down first" Capronis ?

Since it is upside down, do we need to identify it as a 5-.aC inorpaC to be accurate? ( I still like this for a Ca.33, but that's only because I am too late to call it a Ca.5)