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Breguet's Crash File Challenge # 853
A few Crash File bones to pick over . . .
The scoreboard at the end of Breguet's Crash File Challenge # 852 Albatros C.VII 114.45 FLAMINGO ☼ 94.30 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger☼ 76.95 Lodzermensch ☼ 61.30 Froggy ☼ 60.00 richard B ☼ 43.20 YavorD ☼ 42.60 Rbailey ☼ 33.80 Breguet ☼ 32.70 John McKenzie ☼ 25.00 Albrecht ☼ 19.25 AROTH 18.45 AQUILIUS 16.30 Varese2002 14.80 '14-'18aviationcollector 12.80 Patrick 11.50 Brad 11.30 Rod_Filan 09.50 ONEALM 08.10 Gregvan 07.50 matte_kudasai 07.40 Expositor 06.00 Dan_San_Abbott 05.75 Ross 05.70 Jeroplan 05.50 Gilles 05.25 Rexee 05.20 Albatros1234 05.20 Crankcase 05.20 Laserlloyd 05.20 SCMc 05.10 Catfish 05.00 Albatros_Ace 05.00 Kilian 05.00 Pfalz-Scout ............. Have to wait three hours 04.50 Rufe .............. May start immediately 04.00 Al Forbes 04.00 Berman 04.00 Edmondy 04.00 Eric 04.00 RAF56_Ball 04.00 Sobrien 03.80 gregorydquist 03.50 sergio_vitalio 03.30 PaulForster 03.20 Colin A Owers 03.20 vossiewulf 03.00 Crimso 02.70 Tbstreet 02.50 Willi Von Klugerman 02.00 Cruze 02.00 Johnnick 02.00 Missouri Mule 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.80 Tom L 01.50 Nieuport 14 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.10 Jellytwig 01.00 AEFSPADs 01.00 ArisKosionidis 01.00 airwarrior 01.00 Ampovanda 01.00 brisfitworks 01.00 Cigogne 01.00 Cliff 01.00 Graham Hunter 01.00 Mark 01.00 misa2 01.00 Pvernon 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 RONNY BAR 01.00 Stargazer 01.00 Tork1945 01.00 Troy Raines 01.00 ulpilot 00.50 Aeronaut Breguet's Crash Files The Rules: 1) All aircraft are of the 1914-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period). 2) The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. 3) All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely! 4) To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in it's identification. 5) And whoever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host! 6) If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. 7) The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet. In cases where the arbitrator's game answer is in question the decision rests with the current leader of the table
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It looks like a round cowl in front of the in-line engine. The long elevators with rounded ends and the roundness do the rudder look to me like they belong to a Bristol F2b. The wing structure also seems to be consistent with the Bristol fighter.
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Bristol F2b
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I agree with Albrecht on the Bristol F2b.  The manifold exhaust is not from any German Inline Six that I know of, but does fit a V-12 as used in the Bristol Brisfit. The tail plane is shown up-side down and clearly shows the bottom stabilizer unique to this machine, along with the rudder and elevators which fit as well to correctly identify this machine as a Bristol F2b. Good Job Albrecht! Cheers, FOKKERJ  P.S. I was still counting the spoke holes in the tyre rim! 
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2 June 2014, 09:04 PM
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Great job Albrecht!
And thank you John and Jay for adding the additional detail about the exhaust and tail as a spotting feature.The plane is a Bristol F2b shot down on June 21, 1917 by Otto Fuchs, Jasta 30, for his first kill. Additional information and some great photos and maps are here: Adam M. Wait - Flying Fox Full point and the next Challenge to Albrecht. The scoreboard at the end of Breguet's Crash File Challenge # 853 Bristol F.2B 114.45 FLAMINGO ☼ 94.30 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger☼ 76.95 Lodzermensch ☼ 61.30 Froggy ☼ 60.00 richard B ☼ 43.20 YavorD ☼ 42.60 Rbailey ☼ 33.80 Breguet ☼ 32.70 John McKenzie ☼ 26.00 Albrecht ☼ 19.25 AROTH 18.45 AQUILIUS 16.30 Varese2002 14.80 '14-'18aviationcollector 12.80 Patrick 11.50 Brad 11.30 Rod_Filan 09.50 ONEALM 08.10 Gregvan 07.50 matte_kudasai 07.40 Expositor 06.00 Dan_San_Abbott 05.75 Ross 05.70 Jeroplan 05.50 Gilles 05.25 Rexee 05.20 Albatros1234 05.20 Crankcase 05.20 Laserlloyd 05.20 SCMc 05.10 Catfish 05.00 Albatros_Ace 05.00 Kilian 05.00 Pfalz-Scout ............. Have to wait three hours 04.50 Rufe .............. May start immediately 04.00 Al Forbes 04.00 Berman 04.00 Edmondy 04.00 Eric 04.00 RAF56_Ball 04.00 Sobrien 03.80 gregorydquist 03.50 sergio_vitalio 03.30 PaulForster 03.20 Colin A Owers 03.20 vossiewulf 03.00 Crimso 02.70 Tbstreet 02.50 Willi Von Klugerman 02.00 Cruze 02.00 Johnnick 02.00 Missouri Mule 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.80 Tom L 01.50 Nieuport 14 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.10 Jellytwig 01.00 AEFSPADs 01.00 ArisKosionidis 01.00 airwarrior 01.00 Ampovanda 01.00 brisfitworks 01.00 Cigogne 01.00 Cliff 01.00 Graham Hunter 01.00 Mark 01.00 misa2 01.00 Pvernon 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 RONNY BAR 01.00 Stargazer 01.00 Tork1945 01.00 Troy Raines 01.00 ulpilot 00.50 Aeronaut Breguet's Crash Files The Rules: 1) All aircraft are of the 1914-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period). 2) The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. 3) All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely! 4) To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in it's identification. 5) And whoever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host! 6) If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. 7) The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet. In cases where the arbitrator's game answer is in question the decision rests with the current leader of the table
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