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26 March 2014, 09:14 PM
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Breguets Aircraft ID Challenge #1280
For your consideration
I know very little about this machine, and perhaps even less than I think. Dave Scoreboard after challenge #1279: Knoller 70.01 221.60 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼ 184.00 Rbailey ☼☼☼ 153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼ 79.60 richard B ☼☼ 51.30 Aquilius ☼ 43.60 Tork1945 ☼ 39.45 Lodzermensch ☼ 33.30 Cruze ☼ 30.58 Rod Filan ☼ 27.50 YavorD ☼ 24.95 Froggy 16.90 Flamingo 15.00 Breguet 14.70 Albrecht 10.50 matte_kudasai 10.45 GregE 10.40 Brad 10.30 Patrick 09.80 Alex1965 09.70 Dan-San 09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 09.20 Rufe 08.40 JohnMacG 07.70 Berman 07.70 EdStevens 07.60 trp81 07.50 Doc 07.25 Ermeio 07.10 Colin A. Owers 07.00 missouri mule 06.70 Ampovandak 06.40 John McKenzie 06.30 HoHun 06.10 Jim 06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector 06.10 joegertler 06.00 Eric Goedkoop 06.00 Old Man 06.00 Sobrien 05.80 RobW 05.70 vossiewulf 05.70 AROTH 05.70 dpolglaze 05.60 ercoupepilot 05.30 Crimso 05.30 Der Grüne Flieger 05.20 Gilles 05.20 Maze 05.10 bshatzer 05.00 AL FORBES 05.00 Catfish 05.00 Kristjanr 05.00 SCMc 05.00 Tom L ............Above this line, have to wait 12 hours 04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... Below this line, may start immediately 04.40 RC Gardner 04.30 edmondthieffry 04.00 greenknight 04.00 Luf-Rick 03.00 Linhawk 03.00 Totalspoon 02.50 Gregoire 02.50 Rexee 02.40 RAF56_Ball 02.30 Cigogne 02.30 ckingh5 02.10 Crankcase 02.00 albatros1234 02.00 austin08 02.00 Lupodimontenero 02.00 Misa2 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.70 Kilian 01.60 airplane176 01.60 sergio_vitalio 01.50 Albatros_Ace 01.20 Ransom E. Olds 01.00 redbaron1917 01.00 Cliff 01.00 cubsfan4life 01.00 expositor 01.00 gregorydquist 01.00 Mike Westrop 01.00 paolomiana 01.00 Peter Zambori 01.00 Pfalz Scout 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 SL DIII 01.00 Tripehound 00.90 Stig Jarlevik 00.80 Machinbird 00.80 Mad Mac 00.80 tbstreet 00.80 toxisch 00.60 Sreiko 00.50 Doug las7 00.50 Martin Irvine 00.40 Johnnick 00.40 Vilkata 00.30 albapfalzd30 00.30 Miroslav Pokorny 00.30 Nieuport14 00.20 Paul_J._Fisher Previous: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* -- The Rules: 1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #......" 2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. 3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster. 4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference). 5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !) and the poster re-post within the same thread, the 12hours handicap beginning from that point. 6. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted. 7. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer. 8. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification. 9. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge. 10. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. 11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET. |
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27 March 2014, 06:18 AM
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I have no clue... I bet it was a handful to fly though, as short coupled as it is.
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27 March 2014, 09:41 PM
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Brad may well be tight about its flying qualities, if so, it would be ironic, given its purpose.
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28 March 2014, 01:29 AM
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28 March 2014, 05:51 AM
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Yes, it is described as a "training machine".
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28 March 2014, 06:53 AM
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It may actually be a "Penguin" from the looks of it. That would certainly qualify as a training machine.
And just as an aside, I don't personally think the most docile aircraft are the best trainers. While they have to be reasonably comfortable to fly, a little friskiness isn't a bad thing. I think the Citabria is one of the best trainers ever built. It will teach you to pay attention.
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28 March 2014, 08:59 AM
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The photo caption reads:
"The training machine of the...student, ready for a lesson". So, it's difficult to be certain, and I have no proof that the machine flew or was even designed to fly. As there would be extra cost and effort in building a biplane Penguin, when monoplane Peguins were well known in the world, my suspicion is that this machine probably flew. Dave |
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28 March 2014, 12:47 PM
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The training machine of the Goodall Aero company, with the overly large ailerons. See http://books.google.com/books?id=g1g......%22&f=false
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28 March 2014, 01:04 PM
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Yes, which is about all I know about this machine. I believe Goodall is F. E. Goodall (Fred) of Chicago.
Dave Scoreboard after challenge #1280: training machine of the Goodall Aero Company 221.60 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼ 185.00 Rbailey ☼☼☼ 153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼ 79.60 richard B ☼☼ 51.30 Aquilius ☼ 43.60 Tork1945 ☼ 39.45 Lodzermensch ☼ 33.30 Cruze ☼ 30.58 Rod Filan ☼ 27.50 YavorD ☼ 24.95 Froggy 16.90 Flamingo 15.00 Breguet 14.70 Albrecht 10.50 matte_kudasai 10.45 GregE 10.40 Brad 10.30 Patrick 09.80 Alex1965 09.70 Dan-San 09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 09.20 Rufe 08.40 JohnMacG 07.70 Berman 07.70 EdStevens 07.60 trp81 07.50 Doc 07.25 Ermeio 07.10 Colin A. Owers 07.00 missouri mule 06.70 Ampovandak 06.40 John McKenzie 06.30 HoHun 06.10 Jim 06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector 06.10 joegertler 06.00 Eric Goedkoop 06.00 Old Man 06.00 Sobrien 05.80 RobW 05.70 vossiewulf 05.70 AROTH 05.70 dpolglaze 05.60 ercoupepilot 05.30 Crimso 05.30 Der Grüne Flieger 05.20 Gilles 05.20 Maze 05.10 bshatzer 05.00 AL FORBES 05.00 Catfish 05.00 Kristjanr 05.00 SCMc 05.00 Tom L ............Above this line, have to wait 12 hours 04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... Below this line, may start immediately 04.40 RC Gardner 04.30 edmondthieffry 04.00 greenknight 04.00 Luf-Rick 03.00 Linhawk 03.00 Totalspoon 02.50 Gregoire 02.50 Rexee 02.40 RAF56_Ball 02.30 Cigogne 02.30 ckingh5 02.10 Crankcase 02.00 albatros1234 02.00 austin08 02.00 Lupodimontenero 02.00 Misa2 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.70 Kilian 01.60 airplane176 01.60 sergio_vitalio 01.50 Albatros_Ace 01.20 Ransom E. Olds 01.00 redbaron1917 01.00 Cliff 01.00 cubsfan4life 01.00 expositor 01.00 gregorydquist 01.00 Mike Westrop 01.00 paolomiana 01.00 Peter Zambori 01.00 Pfalz Scout 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 SL DIII 01.00 Tripehound 00.90 Stig Jarlevik 00.80 Machinbird 00.80 Mad Mac 00.80 tbstreet 00.80 toxisch 00.60 Sreiko 00.50 Doug las7 00.50 Martin Irvine 00.40 Johnnick 00.40 Vilkata 00.30 albapfalzd30 00.30 Miroslav Pokorny 00.30 Nieuport14 00.20 Paul_J._Fisher |
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28 March 2014, 03:37 PM
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From Before The Skies Became Friendly - Chicago Tribune,
"In 1917, Fred E. Goodall of Tinley Park wanted to take the war effort to a higher level. Goodall, an engineer and mechanic, worked on a tri-wing airplane modeled after a similar plane in England . He thought his version would have greater lift and speed, according to Brad Bettenhausen, president of the Tinley Park Historical Society. Goodall Aero Co. was located in a former factory building at Forest and Ridgeland Avenues. In those early days of aviation, Goodall and others in the company thought it could become a major manufacturer and flight training school. A brochure that sought more investors claimed that Goodall was the exclusive manufacturer of triplanes in the country, with $500,000 in capital. It included "plenty of patriotic quotes about the importance of `aeroplanes' in the war effort but told little about the plane itself," Bettenhausen said. That's because when the brochure was produced, Goodall had built only the prototype--and it had not been flown. A few months later, a production model was ready for its first flight, and potential investors were invited to witness that flight. But the plane struggled to lift off and, after a short time airborne, had to land a few hundred feet away, Bettenhausen said. Company officials attributed the trouble to wings that were too short. Investors got cold feet, and the venture "never took off," Bettenhausen said." |
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