Help with identifying German Aces in this Billy Bishop Picture

[Sparlingo]

Here's a picture from ART.COM entitled "Colonel Billy Bishop with German War Aces" which I just posted on Armchair General where there is lively debate about Billy Boy.Can anyone help with identifying the German Aces in this photo?

[Viggen]

They certainly have aged a bit and put on some weight since their flying days !
what strikes me is that everyone in the picture is dressed in civilian clothes and it seems to be a festive occasion . But there are no trace of any uniform military or political rmilitary medals or flying badges or badges from any organisation. could we really be sure these are flyers or german flyers for that matter ?
As for the time since they all have left their youth behind it could possibly be from the 1930 this

Anna-karin S

[frontflieger]

WOW!!!!

What a great piece of history!!

The three standy (Ger)men from left are:

Alfred Keller (Bombing),
Hermann Frommherz (Jasta Boelcke, Jasta 27 ...)
Karl Bolle (Jasta Boelcke).

The others? Hmmm... I will have to see.

Are there more pictures like this one?

[Germanophile-1]

Originally Posted by Sparlingo

Here's a picture from ART.COM entitled "Colonel Billy Bishop with German War Aces" which I just posted on Armchair General where there is lively debate about Billy Boy.Can anyone help with identifying the German Aces in this photo?

What is "Armchair General"?

TIA

[Sparlingo]

Originally Posted by Viggen

They certainly have aged a bit and put on some weight since their flying days !
what strikes me is that everyone in the picture is dressed in civilian clothes and it seems to be a festive occasion . But there are no trace of any uniform military or political rmilitary medals or flying badges or badges from any organisation. could we really be sure these are flyers or german flyers for that matter ?
As for the time since they all have left their youth behind it could possibly be from the 1930 this

Anna-karin S

Oh 1928, there was an earlier post on this site that related to this meeting, which I give here:

Terry McCormick
Guest

This may have been mentioned in an earlier Bishop thread (I couldn't keep up with all of them) but has anyone commented on the story which appeared in "The Courage of The Early Morning" pp.174-175. The author, Bishop's son, describes his father's 1928 visit to Berlin, and his warm reception by Udet, Goering,et al. Apparently he was made the first and only foreign member of the German Ace Association.
Is this factual? If so, it would appear that his German opponents thought more of him then some of this site's members flying their computers in 2001!

BillyH
Guest
Terry: You are right, Terry. THere is even a photo in Chadderton's "Hanging a Legend" which shows Bishop seated between Goering and Udet. I've read that that 'Eagles' asssociation thought more of Bishop than they did of Hermann.

Ron_F
Forum Ace
United States

there is 2 photos in Udets book 'ace of the iron cross'. 1 of them is Rickenbacker, the other is, yep, Billy Bishop. both signed by the pictures subjects to Udet.

Ron

We are still looking for the Udet and Goering photo. So far as I go, the only person I can identify is Bishop, seated. Bishop did become an honourary member of the German Ace Association in 1928, and the only Entente Ace to be given membership.

[Sparlingo]

Originally Posted by Germanophile-1

What is "Armchair General"?

TIA

Armchair General is a huge site, connected to a magazine, where all military history gets debated along with current politics,

Here is the link

Aerial Warfare Above the Trenches. - Armchair General and HistoryNet >> The Best Forums in History

I am going to cross post your posts related to this picture to that thread, hope that is ok, it's certainly unique. If anyone has any objection to that let me know and I'll stop.

[Sparlingo]

Originally Posted by frontflieger

WOW!!!!

What a great piece of history!!

The three standy (Ger)men from left are:

Alfred Keller (Bombing),
Hermann Frommherz (Jasta Boelcke, Jasta 27 ...)
Karl Bolle (Jasta Boelcke).

The others? Hmmm... I will have to see.

Are there more pictures like this one?

Thanks for that, this is the only one we have so far but still looking

[sator]

Great photo, and thanks for the info on the site Armchair General .

[Frommherz]

Originally Posted by frontflieger

The three standy (Ger)men from left are:

Alfred Keller (Bombing),
Hermann Frommherz (Jasta Boelcke, Jasta 27 ...)
Karl Bolle (Jasta Boelcke).

Frontflieger's identifications are correct. The second man from the right could be Bongartz who became portly in his later years.
For a moment I thought the man on the ground is Christiansen but now I think it's somebody else.

[Barry Hickson]

Could the chap leaning over Bishop be Udet?
Looks a bit like his hairline.