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7 January 2014, 08:47 AM
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Breguet's Crashfile ID #813
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 Scoreboard at the end of Crashfile ID Challenge No 812: Morane LA 109.45 FLAMINGO ¤ 93.30 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ 76.95 Lodzermensch ¤ 60.00 richard B ¤ 58.30 Froggy ¤ 41.60 Rbailey ¤ 39.70 YavorD ¤ 32.80 Breguet ¤ 27.20 John McKenzie ¤ 19.25 AROTH 19.00 Albrecht 18.45 AQUILIUS 16.30 Varese2002 14.80 '14-'18aviationcollector 11.30 Rod_Filan 08.80 Patrick 08.10 Gregvan 08.00 ONEALM 07.50 Brad 07.50 matte_kudasai 07.40 Expositor 06.00 Dan_San_Abbott 05.75 Ross 05.70 Jeroplan 05.50 Gilles 05.25 Rexee 05.20 Albatros1234 05.20 Crankcase 05.20 Laserlloyd 05.20 SCMc 05.10 Catfish 05.00 Albatros_Ace 05.00 Kilian ............. Have to wait three hours 04.50 Rufe .............. May start immediately 04.00 Al Forbes 04.00 Berman 04.00 Edmondy 04.00 Eric 04.00 Pfalz-Scout 04.00 RAF56_Ball 03.80 gregorydquist 03.50 sergio_vitalio 03.30 PaulForster 03.20 Colin A Owers 03.20 vossiewulf 03.00 Crimso 03.00 Sobrien 02.70 Tbstreet 02.00 Cruze 02.00 Johnnick 02.00 Missouri Mule 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.80 Tom L 01.50 Nieuport 14 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.10 Jellytwig 01.00 AEFSPADs 01.00 ArisKosionidis 01.00 airwarrior 01.00 Ampovandak 01.00 brisfitworks 01.00 Cigogne 01.00 Cliff 01.00 Graham Hunter 01.00 Mark 01.00 misa2 01.00 Pvernon 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 RONNY BAR 01.00 Stargazer 01.00 Tork1945 01.00 Troy Raines 01.00 ulpilot 00.50 Aeronaut 00.20 andrewjohnloc Previous Breguet's Crash Files Rules: 1. All aircraft are of the 1914-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period). 2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. 3. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely! 4. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in it's identification. 5. And whoever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host! 6. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. 7. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet. In cases where the arbitrator's game answer is in question the decision rests with the current leader of the table.
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7 January 2014, 09:06 AM
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Not really a Crash .......More of a " Belly - Flop " I'd say !
 One for the new compeditor , me thinks...........................................N ice Photo Joachim . |
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7 January 2014, 01:50 PM
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I'm not bitting on this one. Still have to find something postable that is in one piece! Nice pic, though.
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8 January 2014, 07:37 AM
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Since nobody else is stepping up, I'll give it a shot... but I'm not positive as to which of a couple it is. I note that John thinks it is an easy one... haha
The most distinctive feature is the "kinked" aileron. That is a feature of the LVG B-types... as is the downward-sloping upper longeron on the fuselage. Here is where it gets more difficult: I'm "eyeballing" the relative size of the people in the photo and what I can see of the engine vs. the rest of the airframe, and it appears to me to be the smaller variant, which would be the LVG B.II.
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8 January 2014, 09:11 AM
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Hello everybody
this is an LVG B.II, more differences to the larger B.I are upper wing cut out, rear cockpit aft of cabane, forward fuselage sides are of wood, not metal and end in vertical line. The picture is from a very nice German site about aviation in Cologne: Die Geschichte der Kölner Luftfahrt in verschiedenen Kapiteln Scoreboard at the end of Crashfile ID Challenge No 813: LVG B.II 109.45 FLAMINGO ¤ 93.30 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ 76.95 Lodzermensch ¤ 60.00 richard B ¤ 58.30 Froggy ¤ 41.60 Rbailey ¤ 39.70 YavorD ¤ 32.80 Breguet ¤ 27.20 John McKenzie ¤ 19.25 AROTH 19.00 Albrecht 18.45 AQUILIUS 16.30 Varese2002 14.80 '14-'18aviationcollector 11.30 Rod_Filan 08.80 Patrick 08.10 Gregvan 08.00 ONEALM 08.50 Brad 07.50 matte_kudasai 07.40 Expositor 06.00 Dan_San_Abbott 05.75 Ross 05.70 Jeroplan 05.50 Gilles 05.25 Rexee 05.20 Albatros1234 05.20 Crankcase 05.20 Laserlloyd 05.20 SCMc 05.10 Catfish 05.00 Albatros_Ace 05.00 Kilian ............. Have to wait three hours 04.50 Rufe .............. May start immediately 04.00 Al Forbes 04.00 Berman 04.00 Edmondy 04.00 Eric 04.00 Pfalz-Scout 04.00 RAF56_Ball 03.80 gregorydquist 03.50 sergio_vitalio 03.30 PaulForster 03.20 Colin A Owers 03.20 vossiewulf 03.00 Crimso 03.00 Sobrien 02.70 Tbstreet 02.00 Cruze 02.00 Johnnick 02.00 Missouri Mule 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.80 Tom L 01.50 Nieuport 14 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.10 Jellytwig 01.00 AEFSPADs 01.00 ArisKosionidis 01.00 airwarrior 01.00 Ampovandak 01.00 brisfitworks 01.00 Cigogne 01.00 Cliff 01.00 Graham Hunter 01.00 Mark 01.00 misa2 01.00 Pvernon 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 RONNY BAR 01.00 Stargazer 01.00 Tork1945 01.00 Troy Raines 01.00 ulpilot 00.50 Aeronaut 00.20 andrewjohnloc
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Almost any photo is an easy one for John! He seems to know almost every detail of almost any aeroplane. You're right about the "kinked" aileron. It is a very unusual method of obtaining washout, and as you said it is seen on LVG B types. I don't recall seeing it on any other type of aeroplane. I didn't notice this feature until you pointed it out, although when I clicked on the link to enlarge the photo I could see this distinctive feature very clearly. Well done Brad! |
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