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15 June 2013, 07:19 AM
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Breguet's Crashfile ID Challenge #766
 Scoreboard at the end of Bréguet's Crashfile ID Challenge #765 : Hanriot HD 1 104.45 FLAMINGO ¤ 93.30 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ 73.95 Lodzermensch ¤ 58.00 richard B ¤ 57.30 Froggy ¤ 40.60 Rbailey ¤ 35.70 YavorD ¤ 32.80 Breguet ¤ 19.25 AROTH 19.20 John McKenzie 18.45 AQUILIUS 16.30 Varese2002 14.80 '14-'18aviationcollector 12.00 Albrecht 11.30 Rod_Filan 08.80 Patrick 08.10 Gregvan 08.00 ONEALM 07.50 matte_kudasai 06.40 Expositor 06.00 Dan_San_Abbott 05.75 Ross 05.70 Jeroplan 05.50 Gilles 05.25 Rexee 05.20 Albatros1234 05.20 Crankcase 05.20 Laserlloyd 05.20 SCMc 05.10 Catfish 05.00 Albatros_Ace 05.00 Kilian .................. Have to wait three hours 04.50 Rufe.............. May start immediately 04.00 Al Forbes 04.00 Berman 04.00 Edmondy 04.00 Eric 03.80 gregorydquist 03.50 Brad 03.50 sergio_vitalio 03.30 PaulForster 03.20 Colin A Owers 03.20 vossiewulf 03.00 Crimso 03.00 Sobrien 02.70 Tbstreet 02.00 Johnnick 02.00 Cruze 02.00 Missouri Mule 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.80 Tom L 01.50 Nieuport 14 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.10 Jellytwig 01.00 ArisKosionidis 01.00 airwarrior 01.00 Ampovandak 01.00 brisfitworks 01.00 Cigogne 01.00 Cliff 01.00 Graham Hunter 01.00 Mark 01.00 misa2 01.00 Pvernon 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 RONNY BAR 01.00 Tork1945 01.00 Troy Raines 01.00 ulpilot 00.50 Aeronaut 00.20 andrewjohnloc Previous: Breguet's Crash Files Quote: Rules: 1. All aircraft are of the 1914-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period). 2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. 3. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely! 4. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in it's identification. 5. And whoever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host! 6. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. 7. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet. In cases where the arbitrator's game answer is in question the decision rests with the current leader of the table. |
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15 June 2013, 11:38 AM
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Hi ..at first glance this wreckage might be thought to be a Sopwith such as a Camel or Dolphin , from the shape of the Rudder ....However , the control horn position half way up does not fit .
**Bristol F2B ** . In fact , this machine is a Bristol F2B.....This distinguishing features being the Rudder , with the position of the control horn appx 1/2 way up the rudder leading edge ...( such that the control cables pass above & then through the Top of the fuselage a little distance farther on . The Wing tips are curved at the leading edge/front , but then the greater part of the "bow" is Strait ....This corresponds with the F2B ,..( whereas the sopwiths are curved to a large radius & decidedly have no strait portion ) . The final part that is clearly only Bristol F2b ( & not sopwith ) is the presence of the Aileron control cable Pulley , positioned over the outer white ring of the roundel on the Top outer Left hand plane , which is used for carrying the aileron Balence cable that runs along , above the front spar , EXTERNALLY from Top , LH pulley to Top , RH pulley . Also the "Stubby" proportions of the Elevators are a give -away , along with the position of the "horns" . If one were to enlarge the photo , there would be other clues to see . JM. Last edited by John McKenzie; 15 June 2013 at 11:52 AM. |
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15 June 2013, 07:48 PM
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I have a different answer for this one, John. It does have some similar features as the Bristol such as the external pulley on the upper wing and the rudder shape (although the vertical stab has a little different shape). This one has stubby elevators too but not quite as rounded as the ones on the Bristol.
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15 June 2013, 11:36 PM
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*** DH 5 ***
For the above reasons of Rudder & elevator shape and the long span ailerons ,...then it is a DH 5. DH5 roundels were positioned close to wing tips on some/most machines , as also the Bristol , but in the DH ,...much more of the aileron was inboard of the roundel than on the F2B....The DH having "proportionally" longer span ailerons than the F2b . On a fresh viewing , ..the top front part of the rudder does seem now , to curves down rather more than I first saw , and corresponds more to the DH 5 type (than the Bristol) , ....than it appeared to me yesterday . (after a hard days night ). A complete view of at least one aileron might have confirmed the rib bay count as DH5 ( as against F2B )...but here is the Clincher :- The Aileron Horn position on the DH5 is at approx. 3 ,1/2 "full" bays outboard from the Inner End Butt rib ,......this matches the photo ,( ie , the horn occurs mid way in the Blue sector of the roundel)......whereas the Bristol has this horn positioned much closer towards the Butt rib , at about only 2 full rib bays out from this end rib . Not really a lot else there to go on ,....Cant really make out a service tank amongst the bits that could be anything .. I always did feel that the wreckage shown was a little smaller in baulk , than the F2b . (or of course ,the larger DH 4/9 ). Whether or not we can see in the photo , the distorted remains of a curved turtle deck is pure conjecture . The curved stick resting at an angle , against the Rudder could be the DH Tail- Skid ...... But then again , it could just be be a curved " Stick "! Q....what is the little "Clip " half way up the Rudder Trailing Edge ? ....and .... The " Vertical Stabalizer " does not seem to be visible in this photo ! ! JM Last edited by John McKenzie; 16 June 2013 at 01:14 AM. |
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16 June 2013, 05:49 AM
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That's the one. This is 2/Lt R.E. Taylor's DH.5 of 41 Squadron. He was shot down by Ernst Udet in September 1917. I was curious about the clip on the rudder myself. Not sure what it is but perhaps it was a field modification. It looks like it has two holes in it like some sort of rigging fitting but I don't see any wires attached to it.
Scoreboard at the end of Bréguet's Crashfile ID Challenge #766: AIRCO DH.5 104.45 FLAMINGO ¤ 93.30 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ 73.95 Lodzermensch ¤ 58.00 richard B ¤ 57.30 Froggy ¤ 40.60 Rbailey ¤ 35.70 YavorD ¤ 32.80 Breguet ¤ 20.20 John McKenzie 19.25 AROTH 18.45 AQUILIUS 16.30 Varese2002 14.80 '14-'18aviationcollector 12.00 Albrecht 11.30 Rod_Filan 08.80 Patrick 08.10 Gregvan 08.00 ONEALM 07.50 matte_kudasai 06.40 Expositor 06.00 Dan_San_Abbott 05.75 Ross 05.70 Jeroplan 05.50 Gilles 05.25 Rexee 05.20 Albatros1234 05.20 Crankcase 05.20 Laserlloyd 05.20 SCMc 05.10 Catfish 05.00 Albatros_Ace 05.00 Kilian .................. Have to wait three hours 04.50 Rufe.............. May start immediately 04.00 Al Forbes 04.00 Berman 04.00 Edmondy 04.00 Eric 03.80 gregorydquist 03.50 Brad 03.50 sergio_vitalio 03.30 PaulForster 03.20 Colin A Owers 03.20 vossiewulf 03.00 Crimso 03.00 Sobrien 02.70 Tbstreet 02.00 Johnnick 02.00 Cruze 02.00 Missouri Mule 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.80 Tom L 01.50 Nieuport 14 01.45 Ransom E. Olds 01.10 Jellytwig 01.00 ArisKosionidis 01.00 airwarrior 01.00 Ampovandak 01.00 brisfitworks 01.00 Cigogne 01.00 Cliff 01.00 Graham Hunter 01.00 Mark 01.00 misa2 01.00 Pvernon 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 RONNY BAR 01.00 Tork1945 01.00 Troy Raines 01.00 ulpilot 00.50 Aeronaut 00.20 andrewjohnloc |
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16 June 2013, 12:39 PM
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The small clip could possibly be a point of attachment for a " Leader Streamer " if this machine (once) did belong to a "Flight Leader" ?
 For the next challenge I would have to awaken Breguet from his slumber , once again .......( because as usual , I don't have crash photos to show or know how to do the preliminaries . ) **** However if any of our TOP aces would care to help out here , then this would allow dear old Breguet to have a go himself for a change  . ****( Of course , I will not compete on this next challenge , whoever posts it ) JM |
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16 June 2013, 04:31 PM
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No worries, John. I can post another one.
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