Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #1136

[Rbailey]

I hesitate to post this, as I can find only one reference to it, but it is from a reasonably reliable source. Maybe the answer can provide some information.

Scoreboard after challenge #1135: Gramaticescu monoplane

183.70 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
156.45 Rbailey ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
68.60 richard B ☼☼
44.60 Aquilius ☼
38.55 Lodzermensch ☼
36.60 Tork1945☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
30.58 Rod Filan ☼
27.50 YavorD ☼
23.75 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
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10.45 GregE
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[Tork1945]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

...as I can find only one reference to it, but it is from a reasonably reliable source ...

Flight is a reasonable reliable source, but this USA Scout published in a corner of the May 24, 1917 originates from a USA magazine, probably Aerial Age although not credited by Flight this time.

Obviously a Marlin Scout originating from Texas might be stretching the truth, but you need some real experts to identify this machine accurately.

**I wonder if this Challenges obliges to Rule 3 (3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.)

Tork1945

[Rbailey]

We know the identity of the machine, according to Flight. One might question the accuracy, but unless there is evidence to the contrary, we have to go with that. There is a Marlin, Texas, so it is not inconceivable that some obscure operation created it there. If Flight's source is Aerial Age, I can't find reference to it in the issues I can see. One reason for posting it was to see if anyone could come up with anything else.

Score to be posted later, unless Breguet rules it ineligible.

[Tork1945]

IMO it was better to place this item in a general thread on the Forum asking if anyone can actually identify it positively.

The name Marlin crops up on the Marlin Corps Bombing Corps Liberty Field

Marlin Bombing Corps Liberty Field | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Marlin Bombing Corps Liberty Field | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

By the way I do not see that there is any reason to earn a point in this as I have not positively identified this machine, which incidentally I have been searching off and on for a few years without being able to clinch it positively. The point should go to the one who positively identifies it. So do not give me a point if you intend to. Perhaps another player can also place a 'new old' machine for identification.

Tork1945

[Breguet]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

We know the identity of the machine, according to Flight. One might question the accuracy, but unless there is evidence to the contrary, we have to go with that. There is a Marlin, Texas, so it is not inconceivable that some obscure operation created it there. If Flight's source is Aerial Age, I can't find reference to it in the issues I can see. One reason for posting it was to see if anyone could come up with anything else.

Score to be posted later, unless Breguet rules it ineligible.

I do not disallow this one as to all intents and purposes we do know its identity.

As for a point to Tork, he has identified it as far as we know it so I have no objection to him receiving the point.

[Rbailey]

Then there is Marlin-Rockwell; better known for machine guns but they did have an aeroplane - but not this one and any connection with that company seems unlikely. But while Tork doesn't want the point, as Breguet has ruled, he has identified it to the extent that we know it, and there is no evidence that this is not the correct designation any more than there is evidence that it is correct. Tork is up next.

Scoreboard after challenge #1136: US biplane known as the Marlin Scout, of which nothing is known.

183.70 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
156.45 Rbailey ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
68.60 richard B ☼☼
44.60 Aquilius ☼
38.55 Lodzermensch ☼
37.60 Tork1945☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
30.58 Rod Filan ☼
27.50 YavorD ☼
23.75 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 Brad
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.50 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.50 Jim
05.40 John McKenzie
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L
............Above this line, have to wait 12 hours
........... Below this line, may start immediately
04.00 Albrecht
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.70 Vossiewulf
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
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02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Alex1965
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 missouri mule
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

[Tork1945]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

..... he has identified it to the extent that we know it, and there is no evidence that this is not the correct designation any more than there is evidence that it is correct.

Scoreboard after challenge #1136: US biplane known as the Marlin Scout, of which nothing is known.

I don't want to spend too much time on this machine, but as professional historians say 'one source is no source'. In this case the only found source is in the issue of Flight May 24, 1917.

Given this I would not identify this biplane scout as the Marlin Scout, of which nothing is known, but somewhat more precise as

Unidentified biplane scout, which has one reference in Flight May 24, 1917 where this picture is captioned as Marlin Scout.

I will search out another plane although I have no need for the point as I said.

Tork1945