Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge # 1082

[richard B]

Bonjour .

Good luck for this new one :



Cheers

Richard

Previous challenges :
Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --


Scoreboard at the end of Challenge No 1081: Villish VM 2 (Russia , 1916 )

168.90 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
144.65 Rbailey☼☼☼
67.60 richard B ☼☼
43.00 Aquilius ☼
38.55 Lodzermensch ☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
30.58 Rod Filan ☼
29.90 Tork1945 ☼
26.80 YavorD ☼
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.50 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.40 John McKenzie
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Jim
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 missouri mule
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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[Dave_Kent]

No one wants to be first...

So, I have no idea

Although far from conclusive, mid gap ailerons are often featured on Amrican machines, so I will put that forward as a start

Dave

[richard B]

Originally Posted by Dave_Kent

No one wants to be first...

So, I have no idea

Although far from conclusive, mid gap ailerons are often featured on Amrican machines, so I will put that forward as a start

Dave

Bonjour

It's not american , but west- european

Good luck

[richard B]

Bonjour

It is british ...

Richard

[Jim]

Is it a Twining Type 1A? The features that make me think of this is the combination wheels and skids undercarriage, the outboard interplane ailerons, and the upright forward seat for the pilot. These were designed and made by E.W. Twining with input from Maurice Wright, later an RNAS officer and Fairey Aviation director

[richard B]

Sorry , it's not a Twining glider ...

Cheers

Richard

[Rbailey]

Assuming this machine flew in 1914 (based on it's appearance), and with a shortage of British gliders of this time, I will put forward the Langley and Robertson glider of 1913-14 - it did fly in 1914 (Goodall and Tagg) but so far no description.

[richard B]

Bonjour
Sorry , it's not Langley & Robertson .
The man began building the challenge's glider in 1911 , and flew it in 1914 only .
It was built in Glamorgan (Wales).

Richard

[Jim]

With your helpful clues I think it would be Mr. Carlyon's glider that he began making in 1911 based on the Wright brother's designs but adding his own twist with the empanage aft of the wings. The wheels were from a pram and had the interesting feature that they were used for take-off but by pulling on a lever once the glider was aloft they could be dropped so it would land on just the skids to keep it from rolling forward. It had a wingspan of 28 feet and the chord and gap were both 5 feet. It flew in 1914, but its longest flight was only 100 yards. A storm destroyed it in December 1914.

[richard B]

Originally Posted by Jim

With your helpful clues I think it would be Mr. Carlyon's glider that he began making in 1911 based on the Wright brother's designs but adding his own twist with the empanage aft of the wings. The wheels were from a pram and had the interesting feature that they were used for take-off but by pulling on a lever once the glider was aloft they could be dropped so it would land on just the skids to keep it from rolling forward. It had a wingspan of 28 feet and the chord and gap were both 5 feet. It flew in 1914, but its longest flight was only 100 yards. A storm destroyed it in December 1914.

It's right : my source was an "The sailplane and glider" 1934 :



The #1083 is for you

Cheers

Richard


Scoreboard at the end of Challenge No 1082 : Carlyon glider , U.K , 1914


168.90 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
144.65 Rbailey☼☼☼
67.60 richard B ☼☼
43.00 Aquilius ☼
38.55 Lodzermensch ☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
30.58 Rod Filan ☼
29.90 Tork1945 ☼
26.80 YavorD ☼
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.00 Breguet
10.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.50 Doc
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.30 HoHun
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.40 John McKenzie
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse ........... At and below this line, may start immediately
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Jim
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Lupodimontenero
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 missouri mule
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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