Breguet's Crashfile ID Challenge #676 bis

[richard B]

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GOOD LUCK for this new 676

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Scoreboard at the end of #675 , AVIATIK C I

93.45 FLAMINGO ¤
92.00 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤
69.25 Lodzermensch
50.00 Froggy ¤
47.00 richard B ¤
32.30 Rbailey ¤
30.70 YavorD ¤
30.80 Breguet ¤
18.45 AQUILIUS
18.25 AROTH
16.30 Varese2002
13.00 John McKenzie
10.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
09.30 Rod_Filan
08.10 Gregvan
08.00 ONEALM
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.50 Patrick
06.40 Expositor
06.00 Dan_San_Abbott
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Gilles
05.25 Rexee
05.20 Albatros1234
05.20 Crankcase
05.20 Laserlloyd
05.20 SCMc
05.00 Albatros_Ace
05.00 Kilian .................. Have to wait three hours

04.50 Rufe ................... May start immediately
04.00 Al Forbes
04.00 Berman
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Eric
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
04.10 Catfish
03.00 Crimso
02.00 Johnnick
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 Sobrien
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.10 Jellytwig
01.00 ArisKosionidis
01.00 airwarrior
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cigogne
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 misa2
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
01.00 ulpilot
00.50 Aeronaut


The Rules

1. All aircraft are of the 1914-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner! Offenders will be dealt with severely!
4. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in it's identification.
5. And whoever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!
6. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
7. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet.

[Rbailey]

The rudder looks like SPAD. Whether VII or XIII I can't be sure. Guess VII.

[Patrick]

It's a SPAD VII. The engine is the giveaway -- the SPAD VII used either the H-S 8A or H-S 8Ab. The SPAD XIII used a geared version, the H-S 8B which has a vertical reduction gear housing cast integral with the crankcase. This wreck clearly shows the ungeared version, so combined with the other details such as tail shape and cabane strut configuration, makes it a SPAD VII.

[richard B]

Bonjour
It's not easy to reply to threads : only the " title " part opens , and the rest only much later ...

You are both right , this is a SPAD VII . ( if I trust the source ... "Grandes Photos Spad VII">

I give 0.7 for Rbailey "guessing" and 0.3 for the comprehensive , but later Patrick's reply...

Cheers

Richard


Scoreboard at the end of #676 bis : SPAD S VII

93.45 FLAMINGO ¤
92.00 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤
69.25 Lodzermensch
50.00 Froggy ¤
47.00 richard B ¤
33.00 Rbailey ¤
30.70 YavorD ¤
30.80 Breguet ¤
18.45 AQUILIUS
18.25 AROTH
16.30 Varese2002
13.00 John McKenzie
10.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
09.30 Rod_Filan
08.10 Gregvan
08.00 ONEALM
07.50 matte_kudasai
06.80 Patrick
06.40 Expositor
06.00 Dan_San_Abbott
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Gilles
05.25 Rexee
05.20 Albatros1234
05.20 Crankcase
05.20 Laserlloyd
05.20 SCMc
05.00 Albatros_Ace
05.00 Kilian .................. Have to wait three hours

04.50 Rufe ................... May start immediately
04.00 Al Forbes
04.00 Berman
04.00 Edmondy
04.00 Eric
03.80 gregorydquist
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
04.10 Catfish
03.00 Crimso
02.00 Johnnick
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 Sobrien
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.10 Jellytwig
01.00 ArisKosionidis
01.00 airwarrior
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cigogne
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Graham Hunter
01.00 misa2
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
01.00 ulpilot
00.50 Aeronaut

[Ransom E. Olds]

Ordinarily the reduction gear housing of the geared versions of this engine were separate assemblies attached to the block via studs. Ransom

[Patrick]

Hi Ransom, I guess it depends on how we define "integral". While the front half of the housing bolts up to the crankcase with studs, the back half of it is part of the crankcase casting, a significant redesign of the 8A crankcase. The 1st pic in the series at this link shows it clearly (mislabeled as an H-S 8A):

Hispano Suiza 8A Engine | Marek Mincbergr | aircraft modeler

Regardless, it's an obvious feature to ID the 8B engine from an 8A or 8Ab.

[Ransom E. Olds]

Patrick: Your point about the redesign of the crankcase is correct, and I'm willing to split the difference, so to speak. No-one would reasonably confuse the direct drive engine with the geared version. The engine cutaways were interesting. Ransom