Breguet's aircraft ID challenge # 864

[richard B]

Bonsoir

Here the next one ,not too difficult :



Good luck
Richard

Previous challenges :Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #863: Curtiss Model H.

148.40 Varese2002 ¤¤
117.20 Dave_Kent ¤¤
101.70 Rbailey ¤
42.40 richard B ¤
33.30 Cruze ¤
31.25 Aquilius ¤
29.55 Lodzermensch ¤
24.40 YavorD
22.55 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
14.80 Rod Filan
12.00 Breguet
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.10 Colin A. Owers
07.25 Ermeio
06.70 Ampovandak
06.70 Berman
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Maze
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Old Man
05.00 Tom L
05.00 sobrien .......................... have to wait 12 hours

04.75 SCMc ............................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.30 HoHun
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
04.00 John McKenzie
04.00 Luf-Rick
03.90 Brad
03.50 '14-'18aviationcollector
03.00 Catfish
03.00 Linhawk
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 AL FORBES
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Douglas7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

And the rules :


1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's -Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !).
6. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
7. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
8. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
9. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
10. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET.

[Rbailey]

The front engine mounting and rear fuselage look like the Moisant monoplane that made the Paris-London flight. Could it be one of the Moisant Bleriot types that Moisant built later?

But I have an alternate suggestion - I have a picture labelled a Ponnier aerobatic monoplane of 1915 with a similar engine mount and the undercarriage is a better match.

[albatros1234]

its not an easy one for me.

[richard B]

Bonjour à tous .

About this plane , I know ONLY :
" In 1914 ,at " .......-......-...... " in " ....... " : the monoplane " ..... ...... " fitted with a 25 hp valveless " .... " rotary .
Each " . " is for a letter : now ,it's easy don't it


It's european ,WEST of the RHINE,but NOT french .

GOOD LUCK

Richard

[Varese2002]

Ar least a machine from Belgium

Kees

[Varese2002]

At least this Belgian monoplane had a 25 hp engine It cannot in all honesty cover precisely the dots you have provided, but at least it will break the silence.

BEHUEGHE

(Bron), in Herseun. Built in 1912. A monoplane that flew very well at camp of Casteau Aerodrome during May—October. Motor.—25. h.p. type Morane. New designs in wing construction, landing chassis, etc.

The quote is from Jane's all the world's aircraft 1913.

Kees

[richard B]

BONJOUR

BELGIUM is right ,but affraid Behueghe not .

I believed it was a pretty well known aircraft ,but it seems it is not
The picture was published in the early sixties in a little aviation review published at Genève ,not specialised at all ( Air Information ) .

Cheers

Richard

[Varese2002]

There are not many Belgian produced aeroplanes before 1914/18 that became in the 'well known' status

We have had Belgian pre-1914 produced aeroplanes before at have a - not necessarily complete - list of pre-1914 machines.

Barachin, Bataille, Beheughe, Boel, Bothy, Bracke, Bulot, Chantraine, De Bongnie, De la Hault, Descominnes, D'Hespel, Doné, Goffaux, Harel, Kaufmann, Lanser, Lepousse, Linon, Marchand, Poncelet, Roofthooft, Vandenbergh, Vasseur, Vleminckz, Wansom, Williams

The list originates from Breguet's Pre-1914 Challenge #127.

As the designer has obviously been allotted 5 + 6 dots, it may be the first name and the family name of the designer. So probables are:

• Lanser
• Bracke
• Wansom

I presume that the first series of dots (7-6-6) is the place (or name) of the flying field. The name of the manufacturer of the 25 hp valveless rotary is 4 dots ....

Personally I think this monoplane is by Lanser, but I will have to search that.

Kees

[Rbailey]

"Pipe" seems to have been a type of Belgian aviation motor; don't know if they built a rotary.

[richard B]

The name of the challenge plane IS NOT IN THE LIST above ! But I saw again the aircraft elsewhere later , but where and when ,I can't say
Nothing on the net ...

The engine was a Tips rotary
I hope this will help

Richard