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23 December 2010, 08:13 AM
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Albatros #5695
Does anyone have information on this Albatros? Note the dark section painted between the pilot's cockpit & tail section. This darker color does not completely cover the fuselage.
-Chuck
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23 December 2010, 08:17 AM
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The French description on back...
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23 December 2010, 08:24 AM
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Hi Charles,
I'll see what I can find out about this one. Greg
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23 December 2010, 08:32 AM
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Thanks!
Greg-
I'll be looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks! -Chuck
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23 December 2010, 08:38 AM
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To all-
I would also like to point out the French rudder stripes...
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23 December 2010, 09:46 AM
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Merry christmas
this Albatross landed out of fuel near Bras March 5, 1918. its serial number was 5695. The pilot, named Lotthman belonged to Jasta 65. Transported to the airfield of Spa 23, he received the French cockade. May be your photo show it before the cockade were painted According to "Jasta Pilots" by Norman Franks, Gefreiter LOTHMANN was captured March 5, 1918 while attacking a balloon flying this Albatross. He was assigned to Jasta 65 from February 22, 1918,based in Stenay at the time. What do you think about that Greg ? Here is a photo of the plane in his original painting http://asoublies14-18.cosadgip.com/_...albatros-1.jpg On the French site "Les As Oubliés" Documents Monographies Albatros, mars 1918 Les ''As'' oublis de 14-18. Histoire de l'aviation franaise de la 1re guerre mondiale - Gestion de contenu (CMS), information (IM), connaissance (KM),AJAX , by Cosadgip SA Genve - Selfweb - self-web Cordialement Bruno |
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23 December 2010, 10:25 AM
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Bruno-
Et un Joyeux Noël à vous ! Thank you very much for the excellent background data on this Albatros. That was much more than I expected. I will enjoy reading this information when I have a little more time this evening. Sincèrement, Chuck
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23 December 2010, 09:39 PM
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Hi,
What do I think about that? I think you're absolutely correct! I'm sorry I didn't have time to do some digging and match the serial number up with this well-photographed D.Va before you did, but thanks!! Here's a photo of the aircraft before the Iron Crosses were overpainted:  And another:  Later, as Bruno notes, the German insignia were overpainted with French cocardes. This D Va was taken to Villacoublay:  One more:  Chuck's photo was obviously taken after these. The lovely Totenkopf insignia and the cocarde on the fuselage were overpainted with dark paint (camouflage?), and the fin/rudder repainted with French rudder stripes and the German serial number. It appears the entire fuselage and tail were overpainted. This is quite in keeping with French practice seen on other captured machines.
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28 December 2010, 11:13 AM
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Greg-
Superb photos! Thank you for posting them here. I also appreciate you elaborating on this Albatros' history. The additional data is very welcomed & will be noted in my archives. Regards, Chuck
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28 December 2010, 11:41 AM
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Hello,
This is off-topic but Greg will you please post a close-up snippet of that bottom photo's starboard Albatros logo? Hard to tell but it appears that the bird faces left instead of right, an orientation usually seen with the port Albatros logos.
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