someone knows ?

lupodimontenero · 8 November 2010, 11:18 PM

This aircraft needs identification

Aeroplane In World War One ... Need I.D. | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Aeroplane In World War One ... Need I.D. | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

and this

Aeroplanes In World War One | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

thanks friends

Dave_Kent · 9 November 2010, 07:37 AM

Hi:

I think that the parasol monoplane is the Thomas-Morse MB 1.

Please look here.

Thomas

Dave

Dave_Kent · 9 November 2010, 08:07 AM

Hi:

The biplane, a guess only for the moment as I can't find much, but if the photo comes from the same time/place, this may be the Thomas-Morse S 6.

Dave

Dave_Kent · 9 November 2010, 08:43 AM

S 6 looks to be a single bay, so not a candidate

Old Man · 9 November 2010, 09:19 AM

The lower wing of the biplane looks lie a Rumpler C.IV, but the cut-out in the upper wing is a different shape. It is a beautiful photograph from a modeler's point of view; a great look into the cockpits. I wish I could be more help.

Hopefully some the 'Breguet Challenge' aces can weigh in here.

Aquilius · 9 November 2010, 11:44 AM

Hi,

the biplane reminds me of an Italian built machine, due to the ailerons and tailplane.

Probably a Pomilio PC. This type had the same slight wing cut-out with separately mounted top-wings and used a similar triangular lafette for the rear-gunner.

Wasn't there a side-view picture of such a machine with bombs at the fuselage, like seen here?

But what I remember, this had roundels...

Addition: There might be roundels right behind the bombs. And I gues there is a radiator ontop the engine. This "antenna" seen centre-right infront of the top wing could be a part of the radiator. This is to find with other Pomilio PC too.

Cheers

Aquilius

Catfish · 9 November 2010, 11:48 AM

Hi,
from the triangular rear cabane struts, the upper wing cutout, the a-bit arrow-shaped upper wing i am sure this is a german plane. Maybe an early Aviatik ?
Is there any more info on the engine ? Early Mercedes 100 hp ?

A shame we cannot see the form of the radiator ..

Greetings,
Catfish

Aquilius · 9 November 2010, 12:17 PM

Hi Catfish,

I have been on the Aviatik trail before.

Just almost all German two-strutters differed in wing span, at least slightly, while almost all Allied types (British, French, Italian & US) had the same span of upper and lower wings.

The explanation here could be a developement from Aviatik biplanes. Robert Wildt, a former Aviatik employee, brought these designes to Italy. The S.A.M.L. (Società Aeronautica Mecchanica Lombarda) company started to deploy Aviatik machines in the Italian Army from 1915 on. This Pomilio might have been patterned on those types.

Cheers

Aquilius

Lodzermensch · 9 November 2010, 01:08 PM

Hello,

I agree with Aquilius that the biplane is Pomilio but this is Pomilio PD rather then PC – according to the Windsock Datafile No 117. I assume that pictures in question depict the aircraft you can find … in your own Flickr collection (however you misidentified it)

A WWI Aeroplane ... A Pomilio PC. | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Regards

Marek

Catfish · 9 November 2010, 01:59 PM

I think Marek is right !
From the other photo it indeed looks like, including the visible "spar" where the upper wings meet, to the form of the wings.

I have never consciously looked at a Pomilio, so i was on the "Aviatik trail". Gawd how many types of planes have they built ..

But the nose of the Pomilio differs from the Aviatik types, or so i think (?)

Greetings,
Kai