Breguet's Aircraft ID challenge #801-Redo

[FOKKERJ]

Welcome to the Breguet's Aircraft ID challenge #801-Redo.

The previous attempt was just a test!
RichardB and RBailey both passed with "Flying Colors"!

Hopefully you haven't seen this one before.

LFG Roland private venture single seat biplane dating from 1915. Picture dated October 28, 1915

The scoreboard at the end of #800 -

138.40 Varese2002 ¤¤
106.70 Dave_Kent ¤¤
89.20 Rbailey ¤
38.40 richard B ¤
33.30 Cruze ¤
28.00 Aquilius ¤
27.55 Lodzermensch ¤
23.40 YavorD
22.35 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
11.00 Breguet
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.10 Colin A. Owers
07.25 Ermeio
06.70 Ampovandak
06.70 Berman
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Maze
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L
05.00 sobrien ..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.30 HoHun
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
04.00 John McKenzie
03.90 Brad
03.75 SCMc
03.00 Catfish
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.50 '14-'18aviationcollector
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Linhawk
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
01.00 albatros1234
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

The Rules

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's -Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !).
6. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
7. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
8. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
9. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
10. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET

For your education and entertainment value, I submit the following for your consideration:





HAPPY HUNTING, FOKKERJ

[Breguet]

Looks slightly German - but then that just could be the crosses

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Breguet

Looks slightly German - but then that just could be the crosses

G'D eye Mate,

Yes I fotoshopped those in to throw the Troops off.... I hope that is allowable here as I do it all of the time in the BCFCs.

HAPPY HUNTING, FOKKERJ

[SCMc]

By the shape of the nose, and a large German two engine pusher, I think it is an AEG G.II. (Besides it is the only picture I could find labeled AEG G.II).

I could, of course, be wrong, since that beautiful cross on the lower wing was "fotoshopped in" by FOKKERJ. I am just trying to figure out how he did it to all the other photos on the web.

Steve

[Froggy]

Bonjour à tous

have the strong intuition that you are right steve..


AEG G.II - bomber

Bruno

[Lodzermensch]

Hello,

The engines look like Mercedes motors rather than Benz. This feature plus large cut-out in upper wing make me think of AEG G.I aka K.I.

Regards

Marek

[Rbailey]

The pictures I have give the G.I (K.I) more squared-off lower wing tips and no cut-out on the top wing. On the other hand, I can't find an AEG with such a square cut- out. The triple-tailed version was called G.IIa by Lange, but same cut-out so far as I can tell.

p.s. - now I have - http://www.aviastar.org/air/germany/aeg_g-2.php

[Lodzermensch]

Hi,

I agree that correct ID of this machine is not simple. My choice was based on information I have found in Windsock Datafile No 51 by P.M. Grosz.

Here is the photo published on the backside of the front cover

with caption:

The AEG K.I prototype (factory designation GZ 1) in its original form with a side-by-side cockpit and a third crew member in a nose gun turret. Power was supplied by two 100 hp Mercedes D.I engines. The sole example built, shown here, was re-designated G.I 1/15, modified and flown operationally.

The same photo is in the Gray and Thetford.

I think the small rudder is noticeable in this photo. I would like to take your notice on a strange looking centre-section of the upper wing. It looks like a cut-out filled with additional panel. Perhaps it was removed later on.

Unfortunately, P.M. Grosz did not explain what modifications were applied in this design.

According to the same source, all AEG G.II aircraft were powered by Benz Bz. III engines with characteristic water tanks placed above them. The challenge machine has Mercedes engines easy to identify by the lay-out of intake pipes and the shape of water tanks. Later variant powered by Mercedes engines was G.III but it had distinctive radiators, redesigned nose and a large fin/rudder (the latter should be visible in the picture but it is not – this is why I assume that the challenge machine had small rudder).

So, this is not G.II because of different engines neither G.III because of lack of radiators.

Regards

Marek

[Rbailey]

Good observation about the top wing panel, Marek. I have another picture of the K.I with a rather different nose, and I still think the lower wing tips are more squared off, but who knows what modifications were made when the KI became the operational G.I. I guess we will have to see what Jay has to say.

[richard B]

An interesting picture from PAWLAS' "Deutsche Flugzeuge 1914-1918"

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