Breguet's Aircraft ID Challeenge #789

[Rbailey]

Let's get away from water for a while. Not much is known abut this machine, but it looks interesting.



The score at the end of #788: Friedrichshafen FF 63 of late 1918, a two-seat monoplane floatplane built as a competitor of the Hansa-Brandenburg W 29.

135.90 Varese2002 ¤¤
104.70 Dave_Kent ¤¤
88.20 Rbailey ¤
37.40 richard B ¤
33.30 Cruze ¤
28.00 Aquilius ¤
26.30 Lodzermensch ¤
23.40 YavorD
22.35 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
11.00 Breguet
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.70 Dan-San
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.10 Colin A. Owers
07.25 Ermeio
06.70 Ampovandak
06.70 Berman
06.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Maze
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L
05.00 sobrien ..........................have to wait 12 hours
04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.30 HoHun
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
04.00 John McKenzie
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 SCMc
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.50 '14-'18aviationcollector
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
01.00 albatros1234
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher



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[Varese2002]

At least I had another picture of this rarity, but in my department UNIDENTIFIED

Searching around my best bet is a land-based Curtiss N-9H (Hispano-Suiza engined). Big similarities are the form of the fin, the nose section with the aerodynamic spinner, the drag-inducing high standing radiator obliterating a lot of the forward view and the three-bay wings.

Kees

[Rbailey]

You are right about the Hisso, Kees, but it is not a Curtiss.

[Breguet]

They obviously liked the BE style fin and rudder.

[Dave_Kent]

To me, this looks like an L.W.F. product developed from the G series of machines.

Dave

[Rbailey]

It is not L.W.F. but it is US. Kee's photo can be found somewhere on the web, but the comments about it are misleading.

[Colin A Owers]

Should we be thinking about something other than wood?

Colin A Owers

[YavorD]

This kind of radiator installation is a feature of several Standard aeroplanes. I do not have good references concerning the products of this company, however.
Regards,
Yavor

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

Kees' photo can be found somewhere on the web, but the comments about it are misleading.

Sure misleading, I noted then that the machine was identified as a Martin R type, which I could not match, so not Glenn Martin biplane My guess is that this is a 1918 one-off USA type ...

Kees

[Rbailey]

It is undoubtedly a one-off, the challenge photo was published in January 1919, the caption says the fuselage was of rolled steel and the engine Hispano-Suiza, and says nothing else (except the identity). Aside from the one web reference already mentioned (which is not on an obscure site) I havent been able to come up with anything else. Kees, what was the source of your photo?