Foto Fokker E III

[Blue Heaven]

Dear all,

I 've found two old pictures with Fokker E III 's on !
What do you guys think the makrings of A11 and A8 mean on the airplane?
Is this the marking from a german ace...?

love to hear your comments !

kind regards

[mossie]

Nice pictures. These could be early E series markings or even M8, M5K or L models. Need to have a closer look to see if guns are fitted.

The M8 was designated A.I by the military, the M6K as A.III and M5L as A.II.

So these could have been training or recon aircraft.

Having another look, the Austro-Hungarian Navy recieved at least 6 E.III's numbered A4 to A9. There is a nice pic in the Windsock book on E'III's, page 17.

[Kirk R. Lowry]

Bonjour Blue Heaven!

Very interesting photographs!

It is difficult to determine when looking at the image (of the Fokker aircraft before the hanger), but, the machinea marked with the A. are not E. types ... note the position of the wing against the fuselage ... Perhaps the aircraft is an A.II which was the military designation of the M.5L. or others of the modified M.5 types

Salut!
Kirk

Apologies Mossie ... was composing the message while you posted a reply of a similar note ...

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hi Blue Heaven:
The first two on the right are Fok.E.I machines Fok.A.8 and Fok.A.11 are Fok.M.8 reconnaissance machines. In 1914 Fokker received an order for 40 fok.M.8 (later designated A.I) serial numbers A.190/14 to 229/14. The A.8 and A.11 were most likely from this order. The Fok.E. are early E.Types withh the long right side cowling, as well as the Fok.E which looks like E.74 which was an E.II 74/15.
Blue skies Blue Heaven,
Dan-San

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Hi Blue Heaven:
The first two on the right are Fok.E.I machines Fok.A.8 and Fok.A.11 are Fok.M.8 reconnaissance machines. In 1914 Fokker received an order for 40 fok.M.8 (later designated A.I) serial numbers A.190/14 to 229/14. The A.8 and A.11 were most likely from this order. The Fok.E. are early E.Types withh the long right side cowling, as well as the Fok.E on the left, which looks like E.74 which was an E.II 74/15.
Blue skies Blue Heaven,
Dan-San

[Tim West]

Originally Posted by Dan_San_Abbott

Hi Blue Heaven:
The first two on the right are Fok.E.I machines Fok.A.8 and Fok.A.11 are Fok.M.8 reconnaissance machines. In 1914 Fokker received an order for 40 fok.M.8 (later designated A.I) serial numbers A.190/14 to 229/14. The A.8 and A.11 were most likely from this order. The Fok.E. are early E.Types withh the long right side cowling, as well as the Fok.E on the left, which looks like E.74 which was an E.II 74/15.
Blue skies Blue Heaven,
Dan-San

I would agree A8 and a11 appear unarmed but could they not be M.5 L's ??

Maybe dispatch riders...

[Blue Heaven]

Hi all,

Thanks for all this info !
These are pictures of the original pictures..
Who would like to have the pictures in HQ,feel free to send me a email.
I will send the pic's for you to investigate.
:-)
What do you guys think the are worth?

kind regards

[Kirk R. Lowry]

With further consideration I think that mossie and Dan-San are right in believing that the aircraft in question are M 8s as in that photograph they appear to have greater dimensions than the E types and the leading edge of the wing actually meets the fuselage from above while the M 5 L was, essentially, of the same dimensions as the E types and the leading edge of the wing met the fuselage from immediately under the fuselage.

Salut!
Kirk

[Tim West]

Originally Posted by Kirk R. Lowry

With further consideration I think that mossie and Dan-San are right in believing that the aircraft in question are M 8s as in that photograph they appear to have greater dimensions than the E types and the leading edge of the wing actually meets the fuselage from above while the M 5 L was, essentially, of the same dimensions as the E types and the leading edge of the wing met the fuselage from immediately under the fuselage.

Salut!
Kirk

Yes..I was just noticing that the planes in the photo sit a little taller as well.

[YavorD]

22 M 8 aeroplanes from the Fokker-Militärfliegerschule in Schwerin-Görries were re-serialled A.1 to A.22/16.
Source: Die Fokker Flugzeugwerke in Deutschland 1912-1921 (Typenbücher Deutsche Luftfahrt) by P. M. Grosz and V. Koos
Regards,
Yavor

P.S. An M 8 marked "A10" was photographed in Bojutishte (near Sofia) alongside two armed Fokker Eindeckers in late 1915 or 1916.