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19 March 2010, 07:16 AM
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DFW C.V. with Large Skull/Crossbones-Help!
Here's a neat image of a pilot & observer posing with their DFW C.V. Does anyone recognize this crew? Note the large skull & crossbones painted on the fuselage & the flight leader trailers on either side of the lower wing. I'm hoping this is an easy one to ID...
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19 March 2010, 08:21 AM
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Did you get the link to the video of this airplane I sent ? It's clearly the same airplane.... Lemme know, Mike
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19 March 2010, 09:18 AM
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Mike-
I watched that video clip again & agree with you-the machines look very much alike. At the 7-10 sec mark, an aviator peers into the camera & then at the 21 sec mark, he walks right by the camera. He looks similar to the guy in my photo. If it is the same aviator, it is interesting to note he moved the badges lower & to the left when compared with the film footage to the photo I posted. That is some fascinating footage, Mike. Thank you very much for this lead! For all those who haven't seen this video clip, here it is: YouTube- Rumpler 2-seater with camera mounted to wing (WWI) I guess I misidentified this machine??? -Chuck
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19 March 2010, 12:23 PM
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19 March 2010, 01:04 PM
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Well, now I saw the complete video and it shows several different aircraft. At the beginning we see two DFW C.V, one with skull and crossbone and one with a lightning. Next we have some in flight pictures of the skull machine but the in flight sequence starting at 1:31 shows a Rumpler C.I in light finish and the machine on the ground at 3:45 is a Rumpler C.IV.
This machine electrified me and you will understand if you look here: http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/ca...-markings.html So now we have LVG C.V "3" 3368/17 Ru C.IV "4" 6715/16 Ru C.IV "5" probable Ru C.IV "6" all from the same unit. Here http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/ai...-2-seater.html we have a possible identification by Gregvan - Fl.Abt. 19. Of course the machines in the video may be and probably are from several different units. My apologies to the YouTube poster!
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19 March 2010, 10:04 PM
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Joachim-
You are welcome for the photo posting. A heart-felt "Thank You!" goes out to Mike O'Neal for directing me to the video. Mike, that was one fascinating clip. I was taken aback by the fact that I was staring at a moving picture of the machine in my image. And to think the pilot in the photo might very well be the same aviator noted at the 7 & 21 second mark in the video clip. You made my day  Now, if we can only ID the aviator & the flight unit he belonged to. Joachim, thank you again for your valuable input. I am also happy to see you have enjoyed the video clip as much as I have. -Chuck
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20 March 2010, 06:21 AM
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Rumpler C.IV (C.V?)
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Could it be the same aircraft after changing the iron crosses into balkan crosses? Regards Rainer
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20 March 2010, 08:58 AM
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this is going to be one helluva thread! Thank you for posting this extremely interesting picture! The Rumpler seems to be a little enigmatic: on the rudder is a serial 1873 which according to Schlachtflieger could be from a batch 1863 to 1912/16 of 50 - Ru C.III. This is supported by the engine which looks rather Benz to me with it's Y-shaped intake manifold. Also of interest are the missing vertical cowling pieces which usually are an integral part of the side cowls. If this indeed is a C.III it got a new fin and rudder and someone repainted the serial on the white rudder. The Rumpler "6" in the video has a dark rudder but quality is too bad to say anything about it's engine but somehow it does not look tilted to me... When playing the end of the video in slow motion I realized that the machine taxying on the ground (3:32) is a DFW C.V again! And Rainer, shouldn't we leave the spelling balkan to the English and Americans? 
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20 March 2010, 09:44 AM
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thanks for your answer. In the meantime I found this picture of this Rumpler C.III in Propellerblatt No. 20/Höhenaufklärer Rumpler C.IV. And according to "Balkan-crosses": I've read it so often in this forum, that I thought it would be the right translation for "Balken-Kreuze" although I must admit, that I also don't like this spelling.  Grüße Rainer
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21 March 2010, 02:04 AM
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Another great picture! Thank you.
As it has a dark rudder I would say it is the machine of the video and probably the same like in the first photo with some repainting. The combination of a Benz engine the with a (non standard?) cowling and fin and rudder mod is probably quite rare and that they got such an "old" replacement machine at that date, spring to early summer 1918 is rather unlikely. It's high time Ray Rimmel publishes the two promised Datafiles about those Rumplers!
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