Breguet's aircraft ID challenge # 662

[richard B]

Hello

An easy one ,I think

Good Luck .

Richard




The scoreboard at the end of Challenge No 661:
National-Flugzeugwerke N.F.W. E.II



120.30 Varese2002
86.20 Dave_Kent
74.80 Rbailey
33.30 Cruze
23.00 richard B
20.70 Aquilius
19.70 YavorD
19.65 Froggy
17.80 Lodzermensch <=
15.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Maze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 SCMc
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher



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[Aquilius]

I had not thought this remains unsolved till now.


It is the unique Rex D 6 "Jagdeinsitzer" from 1916 with 80 hp Oberursel U.0!
That was a Bristol Scout copy which is clearly visible. Designer was Dr.-Ing. Friedrich Hansen.

The Flugmaschine Rex GmbH was mainly repairing aircrafts but did come with a few own but unsuccessful attempts.


Having the early style (retouched) crosses and the Scout-appearance the decision was not that difficult amoung the few german single bay rotary powered single seaters that were built in the early war time.


Cheers

Aquilius

[richard B]

Congratulation : It's the REX D 6

For Lange ,only one prototype built,but curiously for William Green ,two were buit, one with front skis the other without .
On the very few photos published one can see ,the upper wing is very different
too .(span ,aileron,cut out ).
As the proto crashed at the end of it's first flight ,I think it was rebuilt without skis and with new wings ,but it's only a guess ,indeed .
On the fuselage ,the marking was REX 6.16 without D
Was it a fighter or a unarmed scout ,I don't know :not any armement is mounted at least on the prototype


Cheers

Richard


The scoreboard at the end of Challenge No 662:

FLUGMASCHINE REX "REX 6.16"



120.30 Varese2002
86.20 Dave_Kent
74.80 Rbailey
33.30 Cruze
23.00 richard B
21.70 Aquilius
19.70 YavorD
19.65 Froggy
17.80 Lodzermensch <=
15.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Maze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 SCMc
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Aquilius

I--

It is the unique Rex D 6 "Jagdeinsitzer" from 1916 with 80 hp Oberursel U.0!
That was a Bristol Scout copy which is clearly visible. Designer was Dr.-Ing. Friedrich Hansen.

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Aquilius

Your statement that the Rex Single-seat scout was a copy of the Bristol Scout is a little to straight. For the record, this is not a copy. Considering the 1914 Bristol Scout A (80 hp) as a pattern, I can see differences enough from the outside (may be more from the inside).

I prefer the intelligent phrase used by Gray / Thetford in their covering for the Rex Single-Seat Scout

It is reported as having been based on the British Bristol Scout.

Kees

[Varese2002]

Flight in 1917 here contained the following phrase about the Rex Chaser

A small, single-seater biplane, built by the Rex Co., of Cologne, has been observed at the front, but little is known regarding it except that it is apparently somewhat similar to the Nieuport, in that the lower wing is of smaller span and chord than the upper. Also, the inter-plane struts— of which there is only one pair on each side—are placed in the shape of a V. It differs from the Nieuport, in that the upper plane has no sweepback, and the lower neither sweepback nor dihedral. The centre section of the top plane is
attached to struts sloping outwards, as in the Sopwiths.

Observed at the front ... Legend rules. Some similarity to the Nieuport

Kees

[Varese2002]

Still more on Rex in Flight 1915 here. Probably in war time the vision was that everything that was built in Germany on aviation was a copy of something else [Bristol, Morane].

Kees

[richard B]

The FLIGHT's description in 1917 applies pretty well to the later REX-D 17. (Nieuport alike ,V struts ...)
Amazing how the info about Rex airplanes ran well between Cöln and London !

[Varese2002]

Probably spies were even active around a small firm like Rex Perhaps they should have set their priorities elsewhere ....

Kees

[Aquilius]

Hello boys,

first, the "copy" in my initial post was meant as "copied design". I did not thought the Rex GmbH had original british drawings by the hand. And you see the term is used by others in the meaning of "Nachbau".
But you are right, I could have written "rip-off" or "plagiat" or "based on...".

But the company was located somewhat close to the front, was repairing army aircraft and could have had access to some captured planes - just an assumption.


Then for 1916 an 80 hp scout seems to be a bit low powered but could have designed as a fighter or maybe a fighter trainer. Just the prototypes did not usually bear weapons.
Most of the various Fokker V-types, that are generally stated to be armed with guns, did not had them mounted - even if pictured at the Adlershof competitions.

Richard, can you send me the picture unretouched?
By the way, here is the (second) one without skids and lowered top-wing: Rex D 6 -



And finally, thanks to the spies we have information available in different sources today. German documents are scarce. Just the interpretation of facts is sometimes doubtful.
Don't know what made the British think the 1915-design was a Bristol 'clone'?
But I was not aware a picture of it exists in flight.


A new challenge is coming up soon.
Just have to find an appropriate one.



Cheers

Aquilius

[Varese2002]

What is special is that Rex allegedly based their 1916 Scout on a 1914 design. It makes me somewhat suspicious about the dating of the machine as 1916.

The 1915 biplane picture in Flight is AFAIK the only one in existence. This picture was published earlier in Flugsport 1915 (p. 301) in the same composition (clipped picture with wings protuding, something which editors like then). As Flugsport was spelled out from back to front in London, they easily could publish it.

Perhaps Maze can look around in the Illustrierte Flugwoche if a detailed article about the little known Rex firm is included, one never knows

Kees