Breguet's aircraft ID challenge # 654

[Varese2002]

Breguet's aircraft ID challenge # 654

Another one, please give all you know about this one.

Kees



The scoreboard at the start of Challenge #654:

120.20 Varese2002 ¤
86.20 Dave_Kent ¤
74.80 Rbailey ¤
33.30 Cruze¤
20.70 Aquilius
20.20 richard B
19.70 YavorD
19.65 Froggy
16.70 Lodzermensch
15.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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[FOKKERJ]

Greetings Kees,

This one looks familiar. Great foto!

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

Greetings Kees,

This one looks familiar. Great foto!

You see, not everything on the Breguet Challenge is a rarity (or is it ?) I look forward to your answer at 12:00 hours.

Have a good time

Kees

[richard B]

Bonjour à tous

The picture shows the second Goedecker biplane type ,built in the autumn 1914 .The first was single bay ,and the second,shown here, two bays .

My clues are lower wing dihedral and the side radiator more at the rear than usual .

Gray and Thetfort think ,it's the second version of the single bay one and name it Goedecker B ,2d version , but for Supf , one single bay was built in the sommer 1914 ,and later three two bays type ,with steel tubes fuselage (and 100hp Mercedes),all of them being used for training at the Krefeld flying school .
Cheers

Richard

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by richard B

Bonjour à tous

The picture shows the second Goedecker biplane type ,built in the autumn 1914 .The first was single bay ,and the second,shown here, two bays .

My clues are lower wing dihedral and the side radiator more at the rear than usual .

Gray and Thetfort think ,it's the second version of the single bay one and name it Goedecker B ,2d version , but for Supf , one single bay was built in the sommer 1914 ,and later three two bays type ,with steel tubes fuselage (and 100hp Mercedes),all of them being used for training at the Krefeld flying school .
Cheers

Richard

You pinned it down excatly, as I thought already when making #654. Interesting point that the single-bay and two-bay biplanes were different machines (although the only reference to this is in Supf).

Jacob Goedecker studied engineering at the TH Aachen (1902) where he got to know Hugo Junkers. He became enthusiastic for aviation and later designed and built monoplanes. One of those monoplanes was flown by the young Anthony Fokker. It is not surprising that the later Fokker Spinne was a look-alike of one of the Goedecker monoplanes. As happened, Fokker claimed the Spinne as his own design, quite unrealistic given the elementary engineering knowledge of Fokker.

The J. Goedecker Flugmaschinenwerke stayed in business pre-1914 by given flying lessons. This biplane was the first design of Goedecker to comply to the German army guidelines for biplanes in 1914. This design - although judged very positive in Flugsport - was not ordered by the German Army. Perhaps politics were involved. After this unlucky design, Goedecker built no more aeroplanes. His firm was transformed into an aircraft maintenance firm. After 1918 his firm transformed again into car design / building.

Next one is for Richard.

Correct answer

Goedecker B Type Two-bay Biplane

The scoreboard at the end of Challenge #654:

120.20 Varese2002 ¤
86.20 Dave_Kent ¤
74.80 Rbailey ¤
33.30 Cruze¤
21.20 richard B
20.70 Aquilius
19.70 YavorD
19.65 Froggy
16.70 Lodzermensch
15.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher