Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #646

Rbailey · 26 October 2009, 04:16 PM

Sorry that the only pictures I have of this machine are so small, but I will make up for it by giving two views. It may be a bit difficult, but the pictures are on the web.

The scoreboard at the end of No 645: Kaiserliche Werft Wihelmshaven C #947

118.00 Varese2002 ¤
86.20 Dave_Kent ¤
74.00 Rbailey ¤
33.30 Cruze¤
19.70 Aquilius
19.65 Froggy
18.70 YavorD
18.20 richard B
15.90 Flamingo
15.70 Lodzermensch
13.80 Rod Filan
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Prevoius challenges are at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

Please,don't forget the RULES:

1.The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
6. (always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
7. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
8. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
9. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
10. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
11. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
12. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Rbailey · 28 October 2009, 06:25 AM

The machine dates from 1918. The designer did a monoplane immediately before this one. Those were his only two, at least in this time period.

Rbailey · 28 October 2009, 05:13 PM

Another minor tid-bit about this machine - it made its first flight on the historic date of Nov. 11, 1918. Probably not at 11AM though.

Dave_Kent · 28 October 2009, 08:38 PM

Well Ron, just so you don’t feel lonely, I will speculate that you have already submitted the monoplane to the Challenge, and that both are from South America.

Being basically lazy, I will propose that this is a Alvear biplane from Brazil, the monoplane being the first I encountered when I went looking.

Rbailey · 29 October 2009, 06:37 AM

Dave, you make some very astute assumptions, but the monoplane has not been posted (yet) and Alvear was not the designer. However, both machines were identified by a name, not a number, and both names (of the machines, not the designer) started with the letter "A".

Varese2002 · 29 October 2009, 07:44 AM

RBailey, I plumped in this one and I see you have been generous with hints.

So we are looking at:

a South American machine

first flight on November 11, 1918

name of this machine starts with an A

this BIPLANO was the second design of this designer, the first design being a MONOPLANO

probably this designer made other machines after 1918

I assume we are looking in at an Argentine, Brazilian or Mexican plane.

Cheers

Kees

Dave_Kent · 29 October 2009, 09:14 AM

Not Mexico, as that is North America.

A possible name: águila

No closer to the rest of the puzzle

Varese2002 · 30 October 2009, 09:47 AM

Sure we need Historia de la aviación here to solve this riddle.

I have the feeling that we are looking at an Argentine biplane [BIPLANO].

AFAIK Mexico is Middle America ?

Cheers

Kees

Rbailey · 30 October 2009, 10:36 AM

Actually, it is all on-line. You just have to find it.

Rbailey · 1 November 2009, 09:37 AM

Just to keep this alive, here is a 3-view drawing of the xxxxxxx A....., not that it will help. But everything you need to find this machine on-line is in Dave's speculations and my hints. So far as I can find, there were only two machines designed by this designer.