Breguet's ID aircraft challenge # 643

richard B · 20 October 2009, 06:21 AM

Bonjour à tous

and GOOD LUCK !

The scoreboard at the end of No 642 Häfeli DH-4

118.00 Varese2002 ¤

86.20 Dave_Kent ¤
73.00 Rbailey ¤
33.30 Cruze¤
19.70 Aquilius
19.65 Froggy
18.70 YavorD
17.20 richard B

15.90 Flamingo
14.70 Lodzermensch
13.80 Rod Filan
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.70 Breguet
08.70 Dan-San
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Berman
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.00 Brad
03.00 sobrien
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

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Brad · 20 October 2009, 10:47 AM

Looks to me like a Lohner B-series on floats... I need to look a bit more.

Hard to say which one it is based on, as the difference is essentially the engine. It isn't based on the C-I, there is no streamlining around the engine cylinders... might be a development of the B-VII though.

richard B · 20 October 2009, 02:06 PM

Bonsoir à tous

Sorry ,Brad ,it's not a Lohner.

Rbailey · 21 October 2009, 08:27 AM

The tail looks very Austrian - how about an Austro-Hungarian Aviatik B type - perhaps B.I?

Aquilius · 21 October 2009, 09:30 AM

The tailplane also reminds me of Hansa-Brandenburg and I have the impression we are looking at a floatplane here with all these sailors around.

There was a Hansa-Brandenburg NW that has not been part of the challenges yet.

It was also a three-bay biplane with wings only slightly arrowed as it seems here by the angle of view.
The german navy orderd quite a few of them and also the k.u.k. navy purchased a copy in 1916 but found it unsuitable.

Cheers

Aquilius

richard B · 21 October 2009, 09:49 AM

Sorry,neither Aviatik nor Hansa Brandenburg

Aquilius · 21 October 2009, 10:43 AM

Can it be a Gotha by any chance? - Or isn't it german at all?

Gotha also licence built some Hansa-Brandenburg NW and came with own designs of similar appearance - three-bay and tail of early machines.
I'm usually guessing the wrong type, but possible candidates are WD 4, WD 9 & WD 10, which I haven't seen yet.

Cheers

Aquilius

richard B · 21 October 2009, 10:59 AM

Sorry ,it's not a Gotha ,but you are guessing right when you think it's german

Lodzermensch · 21 October 2009, 12:30 PM

Hello,

I think it is Lübeck-Travemünde F.1 judging from the shape of wings and tail section.

Regards

Marek

Brad · 21 October 2009, 12:31 PM

Hmmm... maybe a Lloyd? (just tossing out another manufacturer... lol)

Narrowing it down to Germany makes sense- although the rudder looks more like some of the Austrian aircraft, the Austrians tended to prefer flying boats and the Germans tended to prefer floatplanes. (When we're referring to seaplanes, of course.)