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24 February 2009, 03:56 PM
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Brequet's Aircraft ID Challenge # 538
I would give a extra points for identification of #3 in the background, but since I don't know what it is I will have to settle for a single point for the machine in front.
The scoreboard after Challenge # 537, the Fairey F 2, is 97.00 Varese2002 ☼ 69.70 Dave_Kent ☼ Congratulations !!! 59.20 Rbailey ☼ 31.30 Cruze ☼ 17.50 YavorD 17.15 Froggy 15.50 Aquilius 13.30 Rod Filan 12.60 Flamingo 11.90 richard B 09.50 matte_kudasai 08.40 JohnMacG 08.10 Breguet 07.70 Dan-San 07.70 EdStevens 07.60 trp81 07.30 Patrick 07.10 Colin A. Owers 06.70 Ampovandak 06.10 joegertler 06.00 Eric Goedkoop 05.70 Doc 05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 05.60 ercoupepilot 05.45 GregE 05.30 Crimso 05.30 Der Grüne Flieger 05.20 Gilles 05.10 bshatzer 05.00 Tom L........................ 12hours waiting 04.70 AROTH.................... No waiting 04.70 dpolglaze 04.40 Ross Moorhouse 04.30 edmondthieffry 04.00 greenknight 03.70 Berman 03.00 Lodzermensch 02.50 Gregoire 02.10 Crankcase 02.00 Rickenbaron 02.00 sobrien 01.70 Kilian 01.60 sergio_vitalio 01.30 Cigogne 01.20 Ransom E. Olds 01.00 airplane176 01.00 Albatros_Ace 01.00 austin08 01.00 Brad 01.00 Catfish 01.00 Cliff 01.00 cubsfan4life 01.00 gregorydquist 01.00 Luf-Rick 01.00 Mike Westorp 01.00 paolomiana 01.00 Peter Zambori 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 Rexee 01.00 SL DIII 01.00 Tripehound 00.80 Machinbird 00.80 tbstreet 00.80 toxisch 00.60 Sreiko 00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector 00.50 Martin Irvine 00.40 Vilkata 00.30 albapfalzd30 00.30 Miroslav Pokorny 00.30 Nieuport14 00.20 Paul_J._Fisher Previous Challenges are to find here: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 - Breguet's Aircraft Challenge -- The rules : •The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......" •The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. •The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster. •The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference). •Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !) •If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted. •Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer. •To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification. •The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge. •If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. • The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet. |
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25 February 2009, 03:26 AM
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Hello,
hmm, from the form of the cowling i thought of an Avro, but the rudder does not fit. Anyway i'd say it is a british plane .. Greetings and good luck, Catfish |
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25 February 2009, 05:07 AM
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I agree with catfish that the cowling looks like an Avro. My first thought was one of the early versions of the Avro type E. However, the landing gear doesn't quite fit with an E, even after we assume radial engine with removal of side radiators. Therefore, I was wondering if this was one version of an Avro-Duigan. Not the original with Alvaston or ENV engines, but with some kind of a radial (? Gnome). Doc
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25 February 2009, 06:28 AM
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Hello,
Avro 501 perhaps .. 503 H was a seaplane, but another cowling ... Greetings, Catfish |
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25 February 2009, 06:41 AM
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Sorry. Not Avro.
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25 February 2009, 10:59 AM
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This picture shows the unique Ozaki Tractor Biplane, a Japanese design of Yukiteru Ozaki. The machine was completed in March 1917 and had a curious history. It ended up in Siberia in 1920 with the forces of the anti-communist Russian Captain Semiyonov.
Characteristic is the square tail and the rather frail looking tubing connecting the top wing to the fuselage. Otherwise there is only a chance to recognize this machine, when you have seen (and still remember) this only picture of the machine  Cheers Kees
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25 February 2009, 11:09 AM
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Hello,
well i would never have found this  Congratulations!Any ideas for the plane in the background ? Thanks and greetings, Catfish |
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25 February 2009, 02:18 PM
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Good going, Kees. The picture is on the web as well as in the Mikesh-Abbe book. I am assuming the challenge was legal, as Ozaki never flew it in Japan but presumably it was flown in Siberia before it was abandoned (but Ozaki saved the engine).
The scoreboard after Challenge # 538, the Ozaki tractor biplane, is 98.00 Varese2002 ☼ 69.70 Dave_Kent ☼ Congratulations !!! 59.20 Rbailey ☼ 31.30 Cruze ☼ 17.50 YavorD 17.15 Froggy 15.50 Aquilius 13.30 Rod Filan 12.60 Flamingo 11.90 richard B 09.50 matte_kudasai 08.40 JohnMacG 08.10 Breguet 07.70 Dan-San 07.70 EdStevens 07.60 trp81 07.30 Patrick 07.10 Colin A. Owers 06.70 Ampovandak 06.10 joegertler 06.00 Eric Goedkoop 05.70 Doc 05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 05.60 ercoupepilot 05.45 GregE 05.30 Crimso 05.30 Der Grüne Flieger 05.20 Gilles 05.10 bshatzer 05.00 Tom L........................ 12hours waiting 04.70 AROTH.................... No waiting 04.70 dpolglaze 04.40 Ross Moorhouse 04.30 edmondthieffry 04.00 greenknight 03.70 Berman 03.00 Lodzermensch 02.50 Gregoire 02.10 Crankcase 02.00 Rickenbaron 02.00 sobrien 01.70 Kilian 01.60 sergio_vitalio 01.30 Cigogne 01.20 Ransom E. Olds 01.00 airplane176 01.00 Albatros_Ace 01.00 austin08 01.00 Brad 01.00 Catfish 01.00 Cliff 01.00 cubsfan4life 01.00 gregorydquist 01.00 Luf-Rick 01.00 Mike Westorp 01.00 paolomiana 01.00 Peter Zambori 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 Rexee 01.00 SL DIII 01.00 Tripehound 00.80 Machinbird 00.80 tbstreet 00.80 toxisch 00.60 Sreiko 00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector 00.50 Martin Irvine 00.40 Vilkata 00.30 albapfalzd30 00.30 Miroslav Pokorny 00.30 Nieuport14 00.20 Paul_J._Fisher Previous Challenges are to find here: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 - Breguet's Aircraft Challenge -- The rules : •The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......" •The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. •The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster. •The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference). •Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !) •If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted. •Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer. •To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification. •The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge. •If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. • The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet. |
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25 February 2009, 03:08 PM
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Can you tell us more about it's curious history, what engine was used or where to find this, if it's available in the web?
Cheers  Aquilius |
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25 February 2009, 05:16 PM
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Aquilius
The web site is completely Japanese; “ú–{‚Ì–¯ŠÔq‹óŠE‚Ì–é–¾‚¯‚ðãÄ‚Ôl‚½‚¿ The engine was a Japanese version of an 80 hp LeRhone (Shimadzu-LeRhone. 2-place, 10 m span, 6.5m length. Yukiteri Ozaki was a wealthy and well-connected man who was trained (as a civilian) at the army pilot training program. He built (or at least contracted for) this machine after test-flying a Christofferson for the Chinese; Morikichi Sakamoto and an engineer named Toriumi had a hand in the construction. Ozaki broke an axle on his first flight attempt, and nothing else seems to have been done with it until in around 1920 it was sold to Semiyonov for an invasion of Siberia as Kees said. Ozaki went along. I know nothing about its fate there. This is from Mikesh and Abe. |
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