Another unanswered challenge...

[Aquilius]

Well, the people are puzzeled by the currend Aircraft Challenge but since I know you like puzzles there is another challenge still unanswered until today:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/ai...st-2008-a.html



It is told you want to play until 2050 but not even the first “Plane Part Contest” is solved!

Now the year 2008 rapidly comes to an end and I must admit that I still miss the airship design offered with No.10.
Does anyone know what the drawing is?
Or may I offer the type behind the unnumbered tail-rudder in exchange?


Cheers

Aquilius

[Varese2002]

I see you got everything right save number 10? Surely you offer the first reaction on this collage till now.

Cheers

Kees

[cruze]

Hello

How did I miss this ?!?!

Originally Posted by Aquilius

Now the year 2008 rapidly comes to an end and I must admit that I still miss the airship design offered with No.10.
Does anyone know what the drawing is?

Maybe this ...


Cheers

Laurent

[Aquilius]

Thanks Laurent!

Yes that’s the one I mean. Am I right this collum-like connection between the gondola and the envelope is not the main characteristic?
I don’t have much about airships to look up. You probably have guessed they are not my favourites . I had almost given up the search of No.10 and actually your pic doesn’t offer much more details than I had before.

(Is it only my impression or did the pictures posted before the update in summer appeared bigger then? I know they are all rezised to max. 600 pix. Width, but they couln’d be enlarged anymore)


Anyhow, here is what I figured out:


• Background: It’s the Lebaudy dirigible “La République” of 1908

• No. 1 – I haven’t found that photograph but it must be an Albatros Taube. Tail-skid and rudders are for sure in Albatros style! If I had to guess a model I would say type RE – Renn-Eindecker of 1912. Was that similar to the “HE” – Hirth-Eindecker?

• No. 2 – That’s a Sikorsky S.22 “Ilya Murometz”. The subtype is difficult to detect but apparently it must be an earlier variant without windows in the lowe cabin front.

• No. 3 – Here we have the Albatros WHE (Wasser-Eindecker type Hirth, or type Bodensee elsewhere) an amphibious monoplane that competed and won the first prize at the “Bodensee-Wasserflugwettbewerb” in June/July 1913

• No. 4 – another german machine, the Albatros D.IX fighter prototype that took part at the first fighter contest in 1918 but without success.

• No. 5 – the Borel Aéromitrailleuse of 1913 a pusher monoplane designed for the army, but lacking their interests it was never fittet with a gun.

• No. 6 - here we see the undercarriage of the unique Antoinette Monobloc a aerodynamically advanced monoplane designed for the “ministére de guerre” in 1911. Only with it’s weak Antoinette engine it could not fly.

• No. 7 – that’s the Yordanov Diplan 1, designed by the bulgarian Asen Hristov Yordanov in 1916. That was probably the most difficult one. I found it by accident some time ago.

• No. 8 – A Lowe-Willard-Fowler biplane LWF Model V-1 with Sturtevant engine built in 1916/1917.

• No. 9 – surely Kees’ special may not be waived, the PKZ 2 “Schraubenfesselflieger” of Stephan Petročzy von Petročz, Theodore von Kármán & Wilhelm Žurovec.

• No.10 – the “mysterious” No.10 might be the never built Lenticular Airship of Jean-Louis Capazza that was shown on one of the “Wills Cigarettes aviation cards” in 1910.



And finally the unnumbered tail belongs to the BAT FK-23 Bantam replica, presented at Lelystad Aviodrome Museum, Netherlands


Did someone found something different?


Cheers

Aquilius

[cruze]

Hello Aquilius

Originally Posted by Aquilius

• No.10 – the “mysterious” No.10 might be the never built Lenticular Airship of Jean-Louis Capazza(..).

Well seems that you have N°10 ! It is the Capazza lenticular airship.

In "L'Aérophile" (mai 1908), they call it the Planeur "Bayard-Clément" or in english "Bayard-Clément" glider.

Cheers

Laurent

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by cruze

Hello Aquilius



Well seems that you have N°10 ! It is the Capazza lenticular airship.

In "L'Aérophile" (mai 1908), they call it the Planeur "Bayard-Clément" or in english "Bayard-Clément" glider.

Cheers

Laurent

The Capazza Lenticulaire was the subject in The Forum Attic #4 presented by Rod Filan here.

Interesting is the 1907 Brevet (Patent) 378708 filed by Adolphe Clément describing the principles of the Ballon dirigeable planeur.

By the way I have not seen the article in L'Aérophile Mai 1908, any possibility of a scan?

Cheers

Kees

[Varese2002]

Aquilius, you are right with the 10 bits and pieces presented in the beginning of 2008 as a new years quiz. Excellent work. Probably it was very difficult as no comers came with any answers till now I must admit that I forgot in the meantime that the challenge existed at all.

I will give some comments about the different planes identified by Aquilius in the evening (at least 12 hours from now).

Cheers

Kees

[cruze]

Hi Kees

Originally Posted by Varese2002

I have not seen the article in L'Aérophile Mai 1908, any possibility of a scan?

No problem I have scaned the 7 pages (writen in French), you can download them from here (all JPEG files) :

Page 1 (698Ko)
Page 2 (661Ko)
Page 3 (568Ko)
Page 4 (681Ko)
Page 5 (685Ko)
Page 6 (819Ko)
Page 7 (686Ko)

I will delete the links in a couple of weeks but it will still be possible to have them by sending me a PM

Laurent

[Varese2002]

Laurent, many thanks for these marvellous pages of L'Aérophile 1908 . I will read them carefully.

Cheers

Kees

[Rod_Filan]

Déjà vu all over again!

Thanks for posting the L'Aérophile Mai 1908 article Laurent. My alter ego avatar thanks you too

However, unlike Kees reading it carefully, I'll be reading it slowly
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Cheers
Rod