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Old 4 December 2008, 08:15 AM   #1
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Breguet's crash files challenge # 350

Maybe a hard one...



The Scoreboard at the end of BCFC Nr.349

38.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
35.05 Froggy ¤
28.60 Rbailey ¤
23.80 Flamingo
23.00 Breguet
18.60 Richard B
17.15 YavorD
10.75 Aquilius
09.25 AROTH
08.70 Varese2002
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
07.00 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian ................................Have to wait three hours!

04.00 Edmond ..............................May start immediately!
04.00 Eric
04.00 Laserlloyd
04.00 Patrick
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 Crankcase
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Albatros_Ace
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 gregorydquist
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 Berman
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Catfish
00.10 SCMc

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THE RULES

1. All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (Must have left the ground during this period).

2. All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap. All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner!
Offenders will be dealt with severely!

3. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.

4. And whom ever wins this challenge will have to provide a new one! If this can not be done for any reason, please PM Breguet and he will take over as host!

5. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next challenge. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.

6. The final arbitrator of all things to do with the "rules" is Breguet



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Old 4 December 2008, 11:15 AM   #2
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Bonsoir à tous

Looking at the rounded fin ,flatsided fuselage ,cuved bottom fuselage , I would say it is a
W.K.F D I
designed by Ing Alfred Gassner in Austria and flown in 1918 .
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Old 4 December 2008, 11:38 AM   #3
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Bonsoir Richard

Looking at your answer I would say it is wrong
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Old 4 December 2008, 12:12 PM   #4
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The straight rudder edge did not fit .

This time looking only at the curved fin and straight rudder edge ,I would say :

Friedrichshafen D I
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Old 4 December 2008, 12:52 PM   #5
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Bonsoir Richard

Looking at your answer I would say it is wrong
same as above - sorry.
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Old 4 December 2008, 01:06 PM   #6
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How about something more common? Like an Austrian Aviatik DI - at least that is how I see the fin and rudder.
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Aviatik 30.29, July 10 1918, Hptm Karl Nikitsch, who was not seriously injured - from Grosz and Haddow.

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Old 5 December 2008, 01:28 AM   #8
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Rbailey,
you've got it!



The Scoreboard at the end of BCFC Nr.350

38.50 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ¤ Ace of Aces ¤
35.05 Froggy ¤
29.60 Rbailey ¤
23.80 Flamingo
23.00 Breguet
18.60 Richard B
17.15 YavorD
10.75 Aquilius
09.25 AROTH
08.70 Varese2002
08.10 Rod_Filan
08.00 ONEALM
07.90 Gregvan
07.00 matte_kudasai
06.80 '14-'18aviationcollector
05.75 Ross
05.70 Jeroplan
05.50 Expositor
05.50 Gilles
05.00 Dan_San
05.00 Kilian ................................Have to wait three hours!
04.00 Edmond ..............................May start immediately!
04.00 Eric
04.00 Laserlloyd
04.00 Patrick
03.50 sergio_vitalio
03.30 PaulForster
03.20 Colin A Owers
03.20 Crankcase
03.00 Crimso
02.70 Tbstreet
02.00 Albatros_Ace
02.00 Cruze
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.80 gregorydquist
01.80 Tom L
01.50 Nieuport 14
01.45 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Ampovandak
01.00 Berman
01.00 brisfitworks
01.00 Cliff
01.00 Pvernon
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 Rexee
01.00 RONNY BAR
01.00 Troy Raines
00.50 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Catfish
00.10 SCMc
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Old 5 December 2008, 05:06 AM   #9
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Aviatik 30.29

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How about something more common? Like an Austrian Aviatik DI - at least that is how I see the fin and rudder.
Hello Breguet,

That was my guess too! I was 30 minutes after you. Nice try!

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Aviatik 30.29, July 10 1918, Hptm Karl Nikitsch, who was not seriously injured - from Grosz and Haddow.
Hello Rbailey,

I couldn't figure out the difference between your answer and Breguet's, so I investigated, this what I found:

Aviatik (Berg) 30.27 & 29 - fighter

A good looking Rotary engine powered Aviatik D. type....I want one!

Quote:"Whereas all previous single-seat fighters designed by von Berg had utilised Austro-Daimler inline engines, the Aviatik 30.27 and the similar 30.29, which appeared early in 1918, were powered by the 160hp Steyr Le Rhone 11-cylinder rotary. Of wooden construction with plywood fuselage skinning, apart from the forward section which was covered by light metal panels, and fabric-covered wings, the Aviatik 30.27 and 30.29 each carried the standard twin-Schwarzlose gun armament, and were initially flown with two-bladed propellers. Subsequently, the original engine cowling (which left the lowest three cylinders exposed) was replaced by a full ring cowling, and the four-bladed Jaray propeller was adopted. Both participated in the July 1918 D-Contest, 30.29 crashing when the upper wing leading-edge collapsed as its pilot initiated a loop." Quote.

Congratulations to Rbailey and thanks to Flamingo for an interesting and educational challenge.

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Thanks for all the extra info. I agree It's a nice looking craft!!
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