Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #483

[Aquilius]

Ladies & Gentlemen, welcome to another round of Breguet's neverending aircraft ID challenge!


I know that you like to face your task, so I prepared another head-on-shot for you.
Who can tell me which machine is pictured here?




Scoreboard at the end of Challenge No. 482 :

91.0 Varese2002 ¤
60.5 Dave_Kent ¤
51.9 Rbailey ¤
20.3 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
14.3 Aquilius
13.3 Rod Filan
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.8 richard B
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.7 matte_kudasai
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 airplane176
1.0 AROTH
1.0 austin08
1.0 Brad
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 SL DIII
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge Records: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

The rules :

•The thread title must be "Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Have a good hunt!

Aquilius

[richard B]

LOHNER type AC from Austria

---The big radiator "on" upper wing ,two bays wings with ailerons only on the upper ones----



Long range reco .
Only 2 prototypes built ,10.23 & 10.24
360hp austro Daimler
Flown for the first time on 10/7/1918 at Aspern
After the Great War it was modified as passenger aircraft .

[Flamingo]

My guess: Aviatik 30.26
Major clue was the washout of the ailerons. the radiator and the twin bay structure

[Breguet]

Sorry that I have to add a new rule, this has come about due to a "situation" over in the crashfiles.

If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.

[Aquilius]

Well, Richard and Joachim, I don´t know why, but I had expected an answer from you first...


The aircraft we were looking for was the Lohner Type AC.

It was the last Lohner design in the great war and the first one that didn´t had arrowed wings at all. It had the latest Austro-Daimler engine with a power output of 360 hp, as Richard quoted right. While first flown in July 1918 it was not ready for series production until the war ended. But according to Rheinhard Keimel, the second prototype has never been completed.

Here is another view of the machine 10.23:




In early 1919 Leopold Bauer converted the machine into a passenger aircraft by arranging two seats at the position of the observers cockpit. The engine was replaced by a 230 hp Austro-Daimler and some minor changes were done to the tail, radiator installment and others.
It was used first by a courier-service between Vienna and Kamenec-Podolsk (today Ukraine) and later bought by the swiss Alfred Comte. In 1921 the last mention of it was found in press, when Alfred Comte flew some post to Vienna the austrian emperor had left after his return to austria (he fled to Swizerland before war ended). The Interallied Commission tried to confiscate the illegal sold abroad aircraft, but “the jung pilot was much smarter than the old diplomats and after a truely odyssee he brought the plane home to Swizerland again!”


Cheers

Aquilius

[Aquilius]

Congratulations Richard!

You were right on time, with the correct ID.
That allows you to add one credit on the board and to offer the next round for us.


Scoreboard at the end of Challenge No. 483 :

91.0 Varese2002 ¤
60.5 Dave_Kent ¤
51.9 Rbailey ¤
20.3 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.65 Froggy
14.3 Aquilius
13.3 Rod Filan
9.6 Flamingo
8.8 richard B
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.7 matte_kudasai
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 airplane176
1.0 AROTH
1.0 austin08
1.0 Brad
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 SL DIII
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge Records: Aircraft 1914-1918

The rules :

•The thread title must be "Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
•The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Thanks for playing everyone!

Cheers

Aquilius

[Aquilius]

Originally Posted by Flamingo

But here http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/ai...e-427-a-2.html
someone got the point and posted the next although he was second to answer!?

Originally Posted by Breguet

Sorry that I have to add a new rule, this has come about due to a "situation" over in the crashfiles.

If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.

Breguet, shall I withdraw one point from my score?
I´m fine with my legally scored points.
And to end this here, I will not name other challenges that are judged not following the time-rules.

Aquilius