Breguet's Crash File Challenge #263

YavorD · 1 July 2008, 12:31 AM

Welcome to the Crash File Challenge #263.
Good luck with this one!
Yavor

The scoreboard at the start of Crash File Round #263 is:

29.8 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger ☼
26.3 Rbailey ☼
23.5 FROGGY
17.60 Breguet
15.65 YavorD
10.0 Flamingo
09.75 Aquilius
08.0 ONEALM
07.6 Rod_Filan
07.4 Gregvan
07.3 Varese2002
06.2 Richard B
05.75 Ross
05.5 Expositor
05.5 Gilles
05.0 Dan_San
05.0 Kilian
04.2 Jeroplan
04.0 Edmond
04.0 Eric
04.0 Laserlloyd
03.5 sergio_vitalio
03.2 Colin A Owers
03.0 Crimso
02.7 AROTH
02.7 Tbstreet
02.25 Patrick
02.2 Crankcase
02.0 Cruze
02.0 PaulForster
02.0 Rickenbaron
01.8 gregorydquist
01.8 Tom L
01.5 Nieuport 14
01.25 Ransom E. Olds
01.0 '14-'18aviationcollector
01.0 Ampovandak
01.0 Berman
01.0 brisfitworks
01.0 Cliff
01.0 Pvernon
01.0 rammjaeger
01.0 RONNY BAR
01.0 Troy Raines
00.5 Miroslav Pokorny

The rules:
All "ACES" with a score of 5.0 or higher must obey the 3.0 hour handicap.
All others with a score of ZERO to 4.99 may start immediately, if not sooner!
And who win this challenge will have to provide a new one!
If this can not be done by any reason, please let us know that someone can take over the host!

YavorD · 1 July 2008, 08:31 AM

Six hours without response during Europe afternoon and American East coffee time?

Rbailey · 1 July 2008, 02:13 PM

Well. I'll start guessing - Russian Deperdussin?

Flamingo · 1 July 2008, 02:20 PM

Hi Yavor

the tailplane looks a bit like a Bleriot (XXVII?) and the people seem to be Russians

Joachim

Breguet · 1 July 2008, 03:14 PM

Pedrhaps something from Sikorski?

Aquilius · 1 July 2008, 05:43 PM

Yavor, you found another rarity here!

The tail assembly is quite distinctive, only I can´t find a match with something.
What comes close differs too much in the wings and front part.
Do we have to look further to the eastern part of europe?

I like to see the landing gear to know if it´s a derive of a Nieuport, Morane, Blériot or anything. The single tombstone makes me think it is not based on a Deperdussin.
And I believe I´ve seen the pilot before. He´s posed there like the gimp of the day and that´s just what he´s looking like.

Seems some further research is needed...

Aquilius

Rbailey · 1 July 2008, 06:04 PM

The tail looks a bit like a Tereshchenko 7. I am not sure if the #5 or 6 monoplanes had a similar one.

YavorD · 1 July 2008, 11:45 PM

Well, it was once upon a time in Russia.
The plane in question is not Deperdussin, Blériot, Sikorsky (Сикорский), Nieuport, Morane or Tereshchenko (Терещенко).
Good luck with your research!
Regards,
Yavor

YavorD · 2 July 2008, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamingo

Hi Yavor

the tailplane looks a bit like a Bleriot (XXVII?) and the people seem to be Russians

Joachim

My sincere apologies to Joachim and all the readers!

Miscaptioned photo from a source, which is usually reliable, led me to believe another plane is shown on the picture. Without much hesitation I dismissed Blériot, but after some research, I am going to change my opinion.

Now I believe the aeroplane shown on the picture is, most probably, Blériot XXVII (or related project). At least single example was confirmed in Russia. Look of the military public present on the crash site persuaded me the photo is a wartime training accident.

Any comments, please!

Yavor

Aquilius · 2 July 2008, 08:58 AM

Yavor, if it´s a war-time accident the challenge is legal of course.

The Blériot XXVII is closest, although the model in the RAF Museum has a flat engine cowling panel, what might be a variety.
What does your caption say?
If it is proven, that this one is something else, I would give the point to Joachim.

He may feel safer posting the next, beeing one point ahead of me

By the way, Yavor, do you know who was the pilot here?

Aquilius