Play it LOUD!

gregorydquist · 8 June 2008, 04:20 PM

I am converting my tapes to digital and thought I would share this with the forum. It is a short video fo the Sopwith Camel starting up and taxiing at Old Rhineck Aerodrome in about Septemeber 2000.

would anybody know the engine in use by ORA at that time. It's a WW1 era rotary (probably either Clerget or LeRhone).
Thanks, and enjoy!

Greg

http://ravenms.razorstream.com:80/me...2FKw%3D%3D.wmv

shackleton · 8 June 2008, 04:56 PM

I've no idea but could it also be a Bentley?

Cigogne · 8 June 2008, 05:04 PM

The striped Sopwith Camel in the video may have had the following engines:

1. 160 h.p. Gnome (This aircraft has been fitted with this engine during that time) It had it during the early 1990s. That was a very loud engne!

2. 80 h.p. Le Rhone

gregorydquist · 8 June 2008, 05:20 PM

Shackelton - Right you are, Bentley Rotaries were also used on Camels. So it is also a possibility.

but...
I'm thinking Cignone has the answer with the 160 HP Gnome. (which he says was used on this very aircraft in the 1990s.). this thing was LOUD, as you can hear on the video clip that it's engine drowned out the sound of the radial used on the DrI.

I have other rotaries on tape as well, and none are as loud as this one.

Greg

ONEALM · 9 June 2008, 12:49 AM

Cigone is correct, it is a 160 Gnome.

I've hear this particular engine many times at ORA and it always makes you think just how loud a flight or two of these running at the same time would be... just one is deafening....

shackleton · 9 June 2008, 02:49 PM

The noisiest single engined aircraft I can remember was the Harvard (Texan). It had a direct drive to the propeller and I think at higher rpm the tips of the propeller may have been supersonic. How does that compare with the camel? I know its probably impossible to make a subjective judgement on this but anyone any thoughts?

karrart · 9 June 2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shackleton

The noisiest single engined aircraft I can remember was the Harvard (Texan). It had a direct drive to the propeller and I think at higher rpm the tips of the propeller may have been supersonic. How does that compare with the camel? I know its probably impossible to make a subjective judgement on this but anyone any thoughts?

The CD that comes with the deluxe edition of Ghosts of the Great War has some notes by the sound pros who did the recording and they say the big Gnome was the loudest engine they'd ever captured except for modern jets.
My experience has been that if you're very close to one, it'll rattle your teeth and make your shoe laces buzz. A LeRhone may be a little loud, but it doesn't sound like it's going to tear the universe apart.
Robert Karr
OLD BIRDS STAYING ALIVE - THE AVIATION ART OF ROBERT KARR

gregorydquist · 9 June 2008, 04:46 PM

Karrart

the Ghosts of the Great War is a beautiful book and as much as the CD would augment the reading experience, as I already have a copy of the book , I can't justify the deluxe edition just to get the CD. Do you know if the CD is avialable seperately and if so, how to get a copy?
Regards,
Greg

Richard A. · 9 June 2008, 05:02 PM

It's hard to judge from a recording about loud engines.

Shackelton- yes, the Texan has a pretty loud engine. Pratt & Whitney, I think. I heard one ( a Harvard) up here in Ottawa last summer - my mother was there too and she said she remembers well all the Harvards going over Ottawa during the war. (British Commonwelath Air Training Plan) BTW - You can see shots of Ottawa in 1941 in Captains of the Clouds - amazing show of Ansons, Tiger moths, Stearman's, Hudsons, and bushplanes, even a Hurricane disguised as a Messerschmidt, and of course Jimmy Cagney - if you haven't seen it - do so - the plot is OK, but it's the technicolor photography of the vintage aircraft that is the real attraction.

I think any 160 HP engine without muffling would be pretty loud.

Cheers,

karrart · 9 June 2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gregorydquist

Karrart

the Ghosts of the Great War is a beautiful book and as much as the CD would augment the reading experience, as I already have a copy of the book , I can't justify the deluxe edition just to get the CD. Do you know if the CD is avialable seperately and if so, how to get a copy?
Regards,
Greg

You might try the Phil Makanna's site- I think it's just ghosts.com
Robert Karr
OLD BIRDS STAYING ALIVE - THE AVIATION ART OF ROBERT KARR