Breguet´s Aircraft ID Challenge #389

[Varese2002]

Breguet´s Aircraft ID Challenge #389

A special one where at least two or maybe three points can be won. One point for the big biplane in the middle, one point for the little machine at the side AND for the very, very knowledgeable one point for the engine positioned behind the big biplane.

This must be enough of a Challenge./ I think we are going crescendo to a new jubilee #400.

Cheers

Kees



The Scoreboard af the start of Challenge #389 is:

73.2 Varese2002
53.4 Dave_Kent
37.9 Rbailey
15.5 YavorD
13.3 Rod Filan
11.5 Froggy
8.8 Cruze
7.7 Dan-San
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.0 Breguet
7.0 Flamingo
6.7 EdStevens
6.3 Patrick
6.1 Colin A. Owers
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.7 Ampovandak
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
3.0 Aquilius
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.5 Kilian
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 austin08
1.0 Cigogne
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 sobrien
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Precedent challenges: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --


"The Rules" :

The thread title must be "Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Rod_Filan]

And don't forget...clicking on the photo and then the magnifying symbol will allow you to view a largerimage (952x621 pixels) at Kees' webshots site.

Cheers
Rod

[sobrien]

Looks kinda like a VE-7 from the Lewis and Vought Corperation, but the cabane struts are different. Maybe a prototype?

Sean

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by sobrien

Looks kinda like a VE-7 from the Lewis and Vought Corperation, but the cabane struts are different. Maybe a prototype?

Sean

Sean, a good shot. You are exactly right the cabane struts are different (and the engine installation at that) but no, not a prototype Vought VE-7.

Sheers

Kees

[Colin A Owers]

Sure it is a US design, that looks like a Thomas Morse MB-3 in the bakground.

Colin A Owers

[Rbailey]

If it fits the time frame, more like the MB2 before the 4-blade prop was fitted.

[Froggy]

Hello

Tel main PLane looks like a Packard two seaters Type A
and the engine a 160 Hp Packard like this one


Cordialement
Bruno

[Aquilius]

Bruno,

at least you won one of the points Kees offered.
The aircraft must be the Packard A-1 or Type A.

It was Packards first own design, a sport type built for private buyers.
Only one machine was registered - it probably wasn´t a "bestseller".

The frame-like struts reminds me also of the Packard LePere LUSAC 11.
I´ve listed the Packard A-1 as a 1919 design (so it is listed at "aerofiles")
Because of this I didn´t look further to it.
(I was searching some late war types of Louis Becherau but didn´t found pictures)

The engine you posted is the Packard 1A-744, as well a 1919 design.
Aerofiles rated the output to 180 hp.
The Packard A-1 was powered by a Packard 8 engine of 160 hp (aerofiles).
That´s probably this engine.

Another V-8 engine followed in 1921, but I assume this airplane was not stored anymore in the factory this time.
They built also the Packard Liberty L-8 engine (200 hp ) but not until 1919 I think.
(German Wikipedia offers it was first tested on July 3rd 1917 and was orderd in a quantity of 100. But a higher power output was needed so the US Congress forced the mass production of the V-12 Liberty engine.)


Kees, I should have known better. Your challenges often jump over the time-frame. I do like this by the way, but it´s not easy where to look for.
But who said it should be easy.

Cheers

Aquilius

[Froggy]

Hello Aquilius
My reference for the engine is the Jane fighting aircraft -I am not at all
speciaist for engines-The legend for this motor is "Engine packard 160 hp"..
Here is a site with all sorts of Packard engine
May be you know already this thread

Packard

very interesting isn'it ?

Meanwhile, I try to find the ID of the another plane..

Cordialement
Bruno

[Froggy]

Re-hello

For the other plane I should say An Albatros DII


Bruno