Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #246

[Rbailey]

Here is another scout.

Scores at the end of # 245:

46.0 Varese2002
28.7 Dave_Kent
20.7 Rbailey
10.3 Rod Filan
8.3 YavorD
7.4 JohnMacG
7.8 Cruze
7.0 Breguet
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
6.2 EdStevens
5.4 Colin A. Owers
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Patrick
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.2 Gilles
4.0 greenknight
4 Dan-San
4 Tom L
3.6 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
3.3 trp81
2.7 Berman
1.5 Kilian
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1 austin08
1 Cliff
1 cubsfan4life
1 Doc
1 Gregoire
1 Peter Zambori
1 rammjaeger
1 Rickenbaron
1 Cigogne
.8 Machinbird
.6 Crankcase
.6 Sreiko
.4 Vilkata
.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous challenges are at: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 -- Breguet's Aircraft Challenge™

[Ross_Moorhouse]

Some form of early Sopwith??? maybe one of a kind?

[Ross_Moorhouse]

or a Sikorsky S-XVI

[Varese2002]

This is the Danish Södertälje S. W. 17, which served from 1917-1924 as a biplace training aircraft. The machine was built by the Södertälje Mekaniska Werkstad at Tøjhusværkstederne [ that is the most advanced Danish I could manage ].

Kees

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Varese2002

This is the Danish Södertälje S. W. 17, which served from 1917-1924 as a biplace training aircraft. The machine was built by the Södertälje Mekaniska Werkstad at Tøjhusværkstederne [ that is the most advanced Danish I could manage ].

Kees

Thanks Kees,

To me it looks like the offspring of a Nieuport 11 and German recon (tail), with four British ailerons attatched to German influenced wings.
I don't believe that I've seen this one before. A very good looking machine. With seven years service, it must have been a success.
Do you know how well it handled? Did it have a role in combat?
Or protection? Was it armed?
TIA
Regards, FOKKERJ

Are there any better fotografen available?

[Rbailey]

Kees has knocked down another.

Here are the specifications I have for this machine - in Danish.
"Södertälje S. W. 17" Specifikation

Type: Biplan Anvendt: 1917-1924
Funktion: Skolefly Antal: 2 stk
Rejsefart: - km/t Max fart: 115 km/t
Spændvidde: - m længde: - m
Tom/fuldvægt: - kg Besætning: 2

Enhed: Hærens Flyveskole
Fabrik: Södertälje Mek. Werkstad /Tøjhusværkstederne
Motor: Thulin, 90 HK
Bevæbning: Ingen

Scores at the end of # 245:

47.0 Varese2002
28.7 Dave_Kent
20.7 Rbailey
10.3 Rod Filan
8.3 YavorD
7.4 JohnMacG
7.8 Cruze
7.0 Breguet
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
6.2 EdStevens
5.4 Colin A. Owers
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Patrick
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.2 Gilles
4.0 greenknight
4 Dan-San
4 Tom L
3.6 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
3.3 trp81
2.7 Berman
1.5 Kilian
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1 austin08
1 Cliff
1 cubsfan4life
1 Doc
1 Gregoire
1 Peter Zambori
1 rammjaeger
1 Rickenbaron
1 Cigogne
.8 Machinbird
.6 Crankcase
.6 Sreiko
.4 Vilkata
.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous challenges are at: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 -- Breguet's Aircraft Challenge™

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

Thanks Kees,

To me it looks like the offspring of a Nieuport 11 and German recon (tail), with four British ailerons attatched to German influenced wings.
I don't believe that I've seen this one before. A very good looking machine. With seven years service, it must have been a success.
Do you know how well it handled? Did it have a role in combat?
Or protection? Was it armed?
TIA
Regards, FOKKERJ

Are there any better fotografen available?

Denmark was neutral in WW1 so it could buy almost no useable aircarft from the warring nations and so had to make them themselves. The same as in the Netherlands and Sweden, Finland. The Netherlands had the 'luck' that aircraft landed sometimes in a good condition, sothat it could be used by the mottly Dutch army. Realize that the Dutch government bought (=paid) the aircraft they could use!

Coming back to this one. This was a two-seat unarmed trainer of which only 2 were built. I have never seen another picture of this one, but as the machine was in use for 7 years there must surely be more pictures around in Denmark. Perhaps one of our Danish forum members can help ?

Kees

[MGu]

Södertelje Verkstäders Aviatikavdelning was situated in Södertälje in Sweden.

The aircraft started out as the Svenska Aeroplanfabriken H-2, four were ordered by the Swedish Marine on floats in December 1915, but SAF was closed down in February 1916 and was taken over by SW. The first aircraft was delivered in May 1916, but was never accepted because of poor performance, even if modifications were made up to February 1917. In August 1917 SW closed down its aviation department and the remains were sold to Thulin and the designation was changed to Thulin F, a name earlier used for an unfinished project, and in November the dismantled parts of the four aircraft were sold to Denmark, but only two were assembled.