Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #239

[Der Grüne Flieger]

The scores after challenge # 238 are:

45.0 Varese2002
26.7 Dave_Kent
19.7 Rbailey
10.3 Rod Filan
8.3 YavorD
7.4 JohnMacG
7.0 Breguet
6.8 Cruze
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
6.2 EdStevens
5.4 Colin A. Owers
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Patrick
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.2 Gilles
4.0 greenknight
4 Dan-San
3 Tom L
3 trp81
3 Dan-San
2.7 Berman
2.6 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
1.5 Kilian
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1 austin08
1 Cliff
1 cubsfan4life
1 Doc
1 Gregoire
1 Peter Zambori
1 rammjaeger
1 Rickenbaron
1 Cigogne
.8 Machinbird
.6 Crankcase
.6 Sreiko
.4 Vilkata
.2 Paul_J._Fisher


Previous challenges are at: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --


Try this one, remember to give info on the type as well as an ID (I can tell you right now, I don't have much on this on for an ID) ;

Have fun,
Phil

[Rbailey]

Looks very much like a British Norman Thompson NT2B training flying boat without the king posts on the upper plane. It was fitted with a number of engines, but I have never seen anything to indicate a different wing structure, so maybe it is just a look alike.

[Varese2002]

For sure this is a post-war picture of the Canadian Norman Thompson N.T.2B which carried the (then) Canadian registration G-CAEL. As Rbailey already remarked the machine is (extensively ?) modified, at least the typical upper wing structure is absent. Possible other modifications.

The machine must have been one of the large number of war-surplus Nroman Thimpson N.T.2b planes, used in Canada in the barnstorming years. Fate is unknown by me, but I think it may have found a watery grave.

All details that are known must by in the standard Air Briatin book about the type (but I do not have that one ).

By the way the picture comes from the large photo collection of the Canadian Aviation Museum / Musée de l'aviation du Canada.

Kees

[Der Grüne Flieger]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

Looks very much like a British Norman Thompson NT2B training flying boat without the king posts on the upper plane. It was fitted with a number of engines, but I have never seen anything to indicate a different wing structure, so maybe it is just a look alike.

Rbailey,

You have it. I'm not sure about the whys on the variations, but I thought it a good choice for the challenge.

Originally Posted by Varese2002

For sure this is a post-war picture of the Canadian Norman Thompson N.T.2B which carried the (then) Canadian registration G-CAEL. As Rbailey already remarked the machine is (extensively ?) modified, at least the typical upper wing structure is absent. Possible other modifications.

The machine must have been one of the large number of war-surplus Nroman Thimpson N.T.2b planes, used in Canada in the barnstorming years. Fate is unknown by me, but I think it may have found a watery grave.

All details that are known must by in the standard Air Briatin book about the type (but I do not have that one ).

By the way the picture comes from the large photo collection of the Canadian Aviation Museum / Musée de l'aviation du Canada.

Kees

Kees,

Exacty right, the website is Image Bank

Here is a pic with the kingposts present;



Norman Thompson was a seaplane mfgr of Bognor, Sussex, formed in Oct. 1915. Products include N. 1B two-seat flying-boat fighter, N.T. 2B two-seat flying-boat trainer, N.T. 4 and 4A four-seat anti-submarine and training flying-boats. One N.T. 2B was shipped to Canada to make forestry patrols from Lake St. John, Quebec. The N.T. 4s were similar to Curtiss H.4s and know as Americans, but there was no connection between these companies.

It's a great looking plane.

Phil

[Der Grüne Flieger]

The scores after challenge # 239 are:

45.0 Varese2002
26.7 Dave_Kent
20.7 Rbailey
10.3 Rod Filan
8.3 YavorD
7.4 JohnMacG
7.0 Breguet
6.8 Cruze
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
6.2 EdStevens
5.4 Colin A. Owers
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Patrick
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.2 Gilles
4.0 greenknight
4 Dan-San
3.3 trp81
3 Tom L
3 Dan-San
2.7 Berman
2.6 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
1.5 Kilian
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1 austin08
1 Cliff
1 cubsfan4life
1 Doc
1 Gregoire
1 Peter Zambori
1 rammjaeger
1 Rickenbaron
1 Cigogne
.8 Machinbird
.6 Crankcase
.6 Sreiko
.4 Vilkata
.2 Paul_J._Fisher


Previous challenges are at: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

[cruze]

Hi

Originally Posted by Varese2002

The machine must have been one of the large number of war-surplus Norman Thompson N.T.2b planes, used in Canada in the barnstorming years. Fate is unknown by me, but I think it may have found a watery grave.

All details that are known must by in the standard Air Britain book about the type (but I do not have that one ).

From The Norman Thompson File - Michael H. GOODALL - Air Britain 1995 :

Of the N.T.2Bs which were exported, three went to Canada. G-CACH (ex N2290 and G-EAQO) was registered to Rocky Mountain Aviation Transport Company, Banff, Alberta, in june 1921 and was flown from Lake Minnewanka. The smooth fresh water of the lake was of no help to the take-off characteristics and, in an effort to improve them, wooden sponsons were fitted to the forepart of the hull. In june 1924, G-CACG was transferred to Dominion Aerial Exploration Company, Toronto, and flown from Roberval, Quebec and Oslo in the Lake St.John region. The registration was canceled in August 1924 and presumably the machine was scrapped. G-CAEL (original serial not known) was also registered to Dominion Aerial Exploration in June 1924 and was transfered to J.V.Elliott Air Service, Hamilton, Ontario, in June 1926. It was scrapped at Hamilton in September 1929. G-CAEM (ex N2573) was also registered to Dominion in June 1924 and may only have been used to provide spares for 'CG and 'EL.

So three canadian N.T.2Bs :
G-CACG (ex N2268)
G-CAEL (unkwon serial)
G-CAEM (ex N2573)

There are two pictures of the canadian N.T.2Bs in M.H.GOODALL's book : the first one (p66) shows G-CACG on Lake Minnewanka, Alberta, with the "typical upper wing structure", the second picture (p67) shows G-CAEL at Roberval, Quebec without those structures...

cruze

All source : The Norman Thompson File - Michael H. GOODALL - Air Britain 1995

[Varese2002]

Thanks Cruze for the information. So G-CAEL travelled on till September 1929, quite a feat for the machine in those days.

Kees