Spad XIII early combo set

Sreiko · 9 February 2007, 11:09 PM

This is the start of build of this kit I receive yesterday but before of that watch this image and can you note something

DaveF · 16 February 2007, 06:10 AM

Go on, enlighten us!

Sreiko · 16 February 2007, 06:12 AM

It is absence of the ejector point used in moldmaking. Very clean surface.

Are you enlighten?

berman · 16 February 2007, 08:16 AM

What scale is this kit and who makes?

RAGIII · 17 February 2007, 05:27 PM

Berman, that is the Eduard 1/72nd SPAD XIII Dual Combo, Early Version.

RAGIII

Sreiko · 5 March 2007, 02:50 AM

First to apologize for this long delay in topic post. Today I have continue with this assembly. Some before main interior parts are fit together. Interesting is that in this scale and size the same interior of the kit is ey detailed. Main cockpit is consisted of floor, front wall [or firewall], two front pieces which maybe present fuel tanks, pilot stick and seat. Butthere is also some tube or what which going from the wall and bent to the starboard side and cemented close to the seat.

All parts are painted in light oak color and then added with mix of leather color and oak color the wood grain structure. I don't know what is going on with my camera- I simply could not take any sharp image this morning

So image in this post do not present this wood grain structure. Also the construction is painted in some darker shade of wood to make a difference and dry brush is later made in all of the corner as well this is the place where all dirt and dust are concentarting. One problem- I have paint fule tanks in the color proposed by Eduard, steel, but is this correct color? What was the material of the fuel tanks? In that time brass was much in use.

This morning step include placing if etched parts on the all of the instruments inside. This instruments are provide as separate decal and etched parts are used as rim over. Very precision job made by Eduard. To fit this I use artistic acryl lacquer. This is bottle in the right top corner and labeled as Pelikan. I touch a drop of this in place and somehow place etched rim over it... if compare with, placing of pilot seat [hope you see it on image] is a peace of cake

Sorry again for delay and this will continue... one sample will be made as the instruction regular propose, overal Ecru with Chicken motive on fuselage and the other sample I will made in regard to the very good recomendation- plane flown by Nuengesser and mutli color camouflage. This will be good chalenge to present two version of the same color in this small scale.

gilles · 5 March 2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sreiko

overal Ecru with Chicken motive on fuselage

CHICKEN?

MONSIEUR, THERE IS NO CHICKEN IN THE FRENCH ARMY ! (except the cooked ones)
Just kidding!

The spad you want to build is one of Jacques Rafael Roques, a swiss ace! IIRC he died in the early 80's, several articles have been written about him and his planes are well documented. On this particular aircraft, the cowl side panels are plain bare metal,without louvers. It looks like a mechanic made the panels from a tin box (or a fuel can).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sreiko

and the other sample I will made in regard to the very good recomendation- plane flown by Nuengesser and mutli color camouflage. This will be good chalenge to present two version of the same color in this small scale.

The only Nungesser's spad 13 I know is a late model. These markings are included in the late-model, non profipack, Eduard Spad 13 kit.
If you are looking for an early model with the 5 color camouflage, Roques flew one (S727) with the chicken insignia.

Gilles

Matt_Bittner · 5 March 2007, 05:32 PM

What are the serial numbers of the rounded-wing XIIIs?

At what point did they receive the "ply pockets", if they did?

Plus, were there any French aircraft fitted with the "ply pockets"?

Curious, because I want to purchase the Tom's Modelworks photoetch "ply pockets", but will only build the XIII as a French machine.

gilles · 6 March 2007, 04:02 PM

it seems there was 3 batches of Spad XIII with rounded wingtips (excluding Kellner spads for RFC):

Spads built by...Spad. s/n from about S490 to S800
There are pictures of spads built late in 1918 still with rounded wingtip and ply pockets.
In june 1918, Roques' S727 did have the ply pockets. Roques said it was a very good airplane, built by the Spad company and fitted with a Hispano-built engine.

Blériot built Spads around S1860 to S2040 and S2170 to S2300 (there are small batches Spads 11 and 7 between these)
I don't have access to primary source so this is based only on photographic evidence. I don't know exactly the S/N, the numbers quoted are an approximation to the best of my limited knowledge.

According to Christophe Cony, the ply pocket appeared in january/february 1918.

Gilles

Sreiko · 7 March 2007, 12:06 AM

Thanks for your reply and special thanks to Gilles. You are right- it is not chicken but Rooster... The plane I model in the moment is Spad XIII C.1 1893 flown by Jacques Roques from Spa 48, end of 1917. I have not seen close up of his plane and have no comment about the metal plate cover. Eduard had provide in etched parts few models but no one is adjusted to your desripsion. Do you have an posibility to provide some image extract of this detail?
Reason why is here presented only one plane in build but not two in parallel build is that I want to make other sample from box as an airplane of Nungesser, Spad S.XII 454 Le Bourget. I don't know much about this type of plane and my build is based on one sample of image. As I could see on image in the cocpit I see soething like wheel or column control. It look like that this plane did not have stndard control stick and it might to be caused by cannon instalation. Also I have note than only one machine gun is in the upper position, on starboard side. Camouflage is standard, multi color late. His personal remark on this plane was black hard, this sample with no border, triangle on the top of the spin and tri color diagonal bands on the top of the wing [introduced after he was forced to shoot down and kill British pilot

]. So I have to search for more detail before start this build. Alongside with this I paint one in flight study in oli about this plane and when this finish that will be dual combo pack- scale kit of Nuengesser plane and painting behind it.

Image present decals and instruction of the kit and new step- painting of belts. Today they go inside