GT rocks the Camel!!!

[FlyXwire]

Hi Guys,

This week's latest update for Knights Of The Sky is a video that shows the Sopwith Camel's rotary being started at an aerodrome, with the engine's torque swaying the aircraft as it's blipped at the stand, and then......she takes wing......pure joy guys (both inside and out)!

First, the RL inspiration from New Zealand:

YouTube - Sopwith Camel and Spitfire Flying Side-By-Side

Now to GT's masterpiece from Russia (video download link):

http://www.gennadich.com/files/534/f.../gt_promo4.zip

You're all in for a real treat here (64 mb zip file can take some time to download).

[Southside Bucky]

Hi FlyXwire.

Fantastic stuff, I don't know which one to enthuse over more...RL or sim!

Obviously, we all love Spitfire's, but I found myself wishing it would clear off outta the way, I only had eyes (and ears) for the Camel!

As for the GT sim; you just know it's a classic in the making...Awesome attention to detail, although I think the Camel as shown has the wrong propeller fitted. It looks a bit German to me (DR.1 maybe?).

I recently posted some pics of my Camel prop:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=27820

I've also checked a few period photo's and can't find any with the propeller shape shown. Can't believe that the GT team aren't aware of it though.

Perhaps you could point it out to them?..They listen to you!

Thanks a lot for posting the links.

All the best.

Bucky.

[FlyXwire]

Gene,

I agree with your observation concerning GT's Camel prop. I think they've modeled the Lang, but it does look too tapered near the ends:



I'll take your 130hp Clerget prop pics (what a beautiful example it is too), and post these on GT's forum (noting your contribution here), and hope they'll be able to modify it. Besides, I think all the forum fans there would enjoy seeing your wonderful artifact from this bygone era also (hoping that's ok).

[Southside Bucky]

Dave.

So long as you're sure I won't be verbally battered for pointing it out!!
Only kidding, by all means post those pics. I hope it's not too late.

Ooh, I've made a small contribution to a real work of art...makes me feel all warm inside!

Thanks for the prop compliments too. I was incredibly lucky to get it.

One question: Considering your expert knowledge, do you have any thoughts about my cross fabric? If so, I'd love to hear 'em, good or indifferent.

If you do, would you mind using that thread or PM me please.

Thanks again, speak to you soon.

Bucky.

[PC777]

Guys, this GT Video is really something, even the paint scheme on the Camel looks great.

When I get a chance I will create some video I took of the Camel in New Zealand and post a link so you can get some more Camel Fix into you

Great work by the GT team and as always I am looking forward to their next tasty update!

Regards

Paul

[FlyXwire]

Paul,

Keep your videos coming!

Btw, I sent VikS the link to your Gnome video a few weeks ago, mentioning you as the source by member and surname.

[Pips]

So if GT has the FM for the Camel right (which will be a first for this aircraft in any sim) it should whip around in a right hand turn (with a slight loss of altitude) and be more sedate in left turns (while climbing slightly).

I'm really keen to fly this beast.

[Polovski]

Interestingly Cobby I always believed that to be so too. I even read that in flight reports,

Great one here.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...highlight=gyro

I tried to get that in OFF but it's extremely difficult. Phase2 one is better totally redid it from scratch.

However since that post above I had a further discussion with womenfly2 over there and she said rotarys normally turn fastest to the left, which seems to contradict the above.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...left+hand+turn

I double checked, and have since found it roughly 60% of pilot reports pointing to left being faster and 40% to the right!

Confusing as hell.

[Southside Bucky]

Originally Posted by PC777

Guys,

When I get a chance I will create some video I took of the Camel in New Zealand and post a link so you can get some more Camel Fix into you

Regards

Paul

Hi paul.

Please feel free to do that at your earliest convenience.

Like, er...This weekend maybe?

All the best.

Bucky.

[FlyXwire]

Originally Posted by Polovski

Confusing as hell.

Mark, it sounds confusing, but one needs to separate the effect of normal propellor torque from that of gyroscopic precession.

Propellor torque imparts it's effect as a rolling motion, which causes a tendency for an aircraft to roll in the opposite direction in which the propellor is spinning.

Gyroscopic precession from a spinning rotary (and propellor) imparts its effect when turning left or right as a pitching force. Additionally, the force of gyroscopic precession is encountered as a result of pitch or yaw input, and until such control movements are applied, gyroscopic precession is largely incidental.

The Sopwith Camel therefore had a tendency to roll leftwards (counterclockwise) due to propellor torque (opposite the airscrew's spinning direction). However, when making military turns, the effect of gyroscopic precession caused the Camel's nose to dive to the right, or climb to the left. The forces of gyroscopic precession had to be compensated for when turning the Camel hard, and therefore pilots learned to apply left rudder to counteract the downward pitch of the nose in right turns, and to apply left rudder also to keep the nose from rising in hard left turns. Therefore, it can be seen that turning the Camel hard, required pitch corrections to keep the nose of the aircraft from rising in left turns (to prevent stalling), and also left rudder in tight right turns too (to keep the the aircraft from nosing over vertical).

So was the Sopwith Camel faster to the left or right when turning?

Largely depended on how much altitude the pilot could afford to use (or lose) in a dogfight!

One thing though, Camel pilots could never escape the constant effect of gravity.

(you use it, or lose it)