MvR's DVII

redalb2253 · 20 April 2006, 08:04 PM

I know he did'nt fly one in combat but I'd like to get your thought's on what it would have looked like all red? lozenge under surfaces? white tail? My model club is having a club build and I'm the only builder of WWI aircraft I don't think anyone else has ever built a first war fighter everything is WW2 aircraft and armor I suggested revell's 48 camel but way to much rigging so we went with roden's 48 DVII I am building 2 one is either von hantelmanns deaths head or Hipperts checkerboard mimmi or Rabens red bird the second is the best of the replys to MvR's blood red bird thanks for your input in advance

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redalb2253 · 20 April 2006, 09:05 PM

Why was this post moved?

redalb2253 · 20 April 2006, 09:07 PM

Duh I see why

Ross_Moorhouse · 20 April 2006, 09:13 PM

I move posts to the best place in the forums that I think they will get the answers to the questions.

Copperhead · 20 April 2006, 10:43 PM

Going out on a limb here. I see a pattern from all the German mounts from Alb.'s to EV/DVIII's. They basically kept the same patterns applied to the next generation aircraft. Could be wrong, but that's my take. So probably overall red. John

Dave_Watts · 20 April 2006, 11:59 PM

Hi Redalb2253,

I've always enjoyed bringing up this scenario. I think you have to go with similar reasoning as that employed on the Dr.I. MvR received one of the first F.Is, and without question as his position and notoriety had only grown since then, he most assuredly would have received one of the first D.VIIs built and again it would have been either 227/18, 228/18 or 229/18. I believe 227/18 may have been destroyed in load testing, so I would lean towards V.18 (228/18) or V.21 (229/18) both brought up to production standard. Achim's early plane is being finished as V.21 (229/18) (werk number 2310). Colors? Is there any other choice than all red? Some might think MvR was waiting for a BMW powered example, but I doubt it. It is possible he may have been waiting for an entire Jasta to be outfitted with D.VIIs, and in that case he would have been flying either say 229/18 or one of the other first twenty or so odd D.VIIs accepted.

Just my thoughts as this is, as Peter Grosz would say, "sheer conjecture".

Best,
Dave W.

Langdon · 21 April 2006, 12:31 AM

Sorry Dave but I would have to agree with Peter then. When MvR received the F.I there was quite a fan-fare with movie films and photos, and the visit by Fokker. I admit that with it being the second time around possibly Fokker would not be so excited but MvR did not wait for the rest of the Jasta to be equipped when he started using the F.I.

Langdon

Dave_Watts · 21 April 2006, 01:35 AM

G'Day Langdon,

I'm a little bit confused here as to your posting, and all is said simply questioning and not in dispute or with negativity.

You stated;
"Sorry Dave but I would have to agree with Peter then."

Peter didn't say this was "sheer conjecture", I simply posted this as I've had Peter say this about someone else's statements of a totally different thing. I was being my own adversary and using Peter's statement from the past. A euphemism or "Peterism". Again I wrote, "Just my thoughts as this is, as Peter Grosz would say, "sheer conjecture"." As my commas indicate you could leave out, "as Peter Grosz would say," and have "Just my thoughts as this is "sheer conjecture".

You went on to write; "When MvR received the F.I there was quite a fan-fare with movie films and photos, and the visit by Fokker. I admit that with it being the second time around possibly Fokker would not be so excited but MvR did not wait for the rest of the Jasta to be equipped when he started using the F.I."

I don't quite follow. You state, "...with it being the second time around possibly Fokker would not be so excited but MvR did not wait for the rest of the Jasta to be equipped when he started using the F.I."

I guess you mean if he got one of the first D.VIIs there might not have been such fanfare as there was with the F.I, then you go on to state, "but MvR did not wait for the rest of the Jasta to be equipped when he started using the F.I." I guess you mean if he didn't wait for the Jasta to get F.Is, he wouldn't have waited for them to get D.VIIs?

Redalb2253 was asking what colors would MvR's D.VII would have been IF he had lived to have gotten one. I don't believe MvR did get one. That's why I stated with the first sentence; "I've always enjoyed bringing up this scenario." as it is just that...supposition. That's why anything we say is simply a guess at best. I think there would be two scenarios MvR may have followed, one; an ultra-early prototype brought up to standard D.VII or two; one of the first batch to equip a Jasta, again it would be a very early D.VII, one of the first twenty or odd so accepted Fokker built aircraft.

I just need you to clarify your posting a bit.

Very best wishes,
Dave

21 April 2006, 02:34 AM

What colours was Lothar's mount? I have seen a lot of references to it but never an actual picture. Furthermore, not many seem to build a model of it. What colours was it? Yellow like his Fokker Dr.I??

redalb2253 · 21 April 2006, 10:22 AM

Thanks I'm leaning toward overall red with lozenge under the wings and a white rudder