Games in which the Sopwith Camel is NOT uber?

[castiglione]

I can only think of two off-hand.

Blue Max - in the 1st edition of the game, the Camel is inferior to the Pfalz D. III, marginally better than the Nieuport 17 (and only by virtue of being able to take more damage), inferior to the Fokker Dr. I and slightly inferior to the Sopwith Triplane and completely inferior to the Snipe. An Albatros D. III can give it a run for its money and a properly flown Albatros D. V can destroy it. Imagine what the Fokker D. VII and the Siemens-Schuckerts D. III/D.IV can do to it - it gets spanked like a red headed step-child. Just about the only thing it has going for it is the ability to make a really tight right turn. Of course, in the 2nd edition of the rules, the Camel was "corrected" and it was uber-ized.

Knights of the Air - the Camel has only two things going for it in this game - it can turn a really tight circle and it is "responsive" (in the context of the game, it means it can transition from maneuver to maneuver faster than every other plane except for the Fokker Dr. I). Besides that, it is slow and can't dive worth a lick. I suppose if you were playing against someone who insisted on turn fighting with you, you could clean up. But if someone extended and started using the vertical, you could be in trouble.

Richthofen's Skies - the Camel is twitchy as hell. Twitchy, twitchy, twitchy. When's the SE5a going to be modeled because I can't fly the Camel?

In every other game, both board games (like the first two above), card games (Down in Flames - WWI) and in other flight simulations, the Camel seems to be uber-ized to some degree with its vaunted maneuverability being modeled but not its "death trap"-ness.

[MikeW]

In every other game, both board games (like the first two above), card games (Down in Flames - WWI) and in other flight simulations, the Camel seems to be uber-ized to some degree with its vaunted maneuverability being modeled but not its "death trap"-ness.

You have obviously never flown "Flying Corps". The Camel was tail heavy and unstable as hell. It would drop into a spin when turning, was very difficult to loop and was damn near impossible to take off. But when you mastered it, it perfomed lovely flick rolls to the right.

Mike

[Axgrinder]

I play Blue Max with about 12 other people and only one person flies the Camel only because it's the only model he has.

It is not as manuverable as planes with an in-line engine and it has a lousy fuel capacity.

Most allied guys would rather fly a Spad or Se5a.

Myself, Central Powers Fokker D7 or Albatros D5a.

[Angiolillo]

In the Wings of War card game, it is quite less agile than a Fokker Dr.I. But it can face it well compensating this with a couple of damage point more.

The Fokker D.VII is coming in March with the nnew blisters of cards (you can see a preview at http://tinyurl.com/cmvhp - keep the window as whide as you can). It will be quite better than the Camel. It will come packed together with the Snipe, anyway.

All ther best,

Andrea

[Mr_Flibble]

Still waiting for the Dutch Edition Burning Drachen (No, I have not really looked since last time)...Sounds like your game is doing well. I'm looking forward to the blisterpacks.

Back to Camels.

Fokker Fodder offers the Camel in three versions with different engines. The Le Rhone version can hold its own against a DR1, the Clerget version is a little faster but not a good climber due to its poor acceleration. The Bentley version is the good enough to take on an SSW.III or Fokker D.VII, though it is slightly slower. All three have the nasty penalty for escaping out of a spin if you're anything but an Ace

[castiglione]

Originally Posted by Axgrinder

I play Blue Max with about 12 other people and only one person flies the Camel only because it's the only model he has.

This is both funny and sad at the same time.

Hello - this is my first post in this forum - It looks a real gold mine for WW1 nuts. I am one who got there via Flight sims - FCG , RB3d and now the brilliant OFF.
BTW - I haven't a clue about board games and won't try them - but how FMs come into board games I cannot imagine !!

Anyway - back to the original question re Camels being uber- try it in OFF flying against the Dr1 where it really hasn't much of a chance on Ace setting.
The Dr1 AI outclimbs and outspeeds it, and when you do eventually get behind it you can fill it full of lead and it will NOT die
Some say it is a CFS3 thing - I'm still trying to fathom it, but certainly the Camel is not uber here.
cheers

[castiglione]

"FM's" come into play in board games by limiting ways in which certain planes can move. Some games are very simple in how they do this (Ace of Aces or Blue Max) while others swing towards the more complex side of the spectrum (Knights of the Air).

I've avoided most of the CFS's after buying and moth-balling the first one. Most of my simming has been WWII era as of late due to the paucity of WWI sims available.

Originally Posted by castiglione

"FM's" come into play in board games by limiting ways in which certain planes can move. Some games are very simple in how they do this (Ace of Aces or Blue Max) while others swing towards the more complex side of the spectrum (Knights of the Air).

I've avoided most of the CFS's after buying and moth-balling the first one. Most of my simming has been WWII era as of late due to the paucity of WWI sims available.

Thanks for the explanation. Please , take it from me, who once avoided CFS3 for a long time, that Over flanders field is the best WW 1 sim there has been. I have flown little else since downloading it. It is free ( you need CFS 3 though ).
Once it is loaded it is a stand alone sim. h have a look at the forumin simhq and SOH. for the reactions.

cheers

[Balloon_Buster]

Is "Battle for Europe" (the WWII game) a CFS 3 game? Would it allow one to use OFF?