A Bavarian pilot...?

Soderbaum · 6 June 2005, 05:15 AM

Hi

Oblt Kirchner served as pilot within the Bavarian FAA 293 in the spring of 1917, and later he apparently went over to the German Marine Air Force (but kept his Army rank)...

Does anyone knew more about him, like possible first name, unit information or date of birth etc...???

Gunnar

Rick · 6 June 2005, 06:22 AM

Gunnar, no help here, I'm afraid. Being a Bavarian - sounds like a Reinhard question. R.

fliegertruppe · 6 June 2005, 10:50 AM

Hi Gunnar,
I have only one bavarian pilot with the name Kirchner.
L.d.R. Adolf Kirchner (11.bFAR).
I know he had the bavarian Flugzeugführerabzeichen No.223 but I don't have more infos.
I'd like to look in the Kriegsstammrolle of the FA(A) 293b. Maybe we can find more about Kirchner.

greeting to sweden
Reinhard

fliegertruppe · 6 June 2005, 11:10 AM

Gunnar,
I think I have your man.
His name is:

Adolf Kirschner
13. september 1890 Traunstein

17/12/1913 Leutnant
01/08/1914 11.bFAR
11/11/1914 FAR 5
01/06/1916 Flieger-Ersatz-Abteilung Schleißheim Flugzeugführer-Ausbildung
28/10/1916 Armee-Flug-Park 2
04/11/1916 Feldflieger-Abteilung 7b / Fliegerabteilung (A) 293b
17/01/1917 Oberleutnant
02/10/1917 bay. Militär-Flieger-Schule 2 Lachen Speyerdorf
10/11/1917 bay. Militär-Flieger-Schule 1 Schleißheim Flugleiter
23/02/18 Marine-Landflieger Abt.Berlin Johannisthal
00/00/1918 bFAA 293
00/00/1919 Reichswehr Brigade in Würzburg, Wehrkreiskommando VII
01/02/1923 Hauptmann
january 1940 - august 1945 Hauptmann, later Major z.V. Luftwaffe

Reinhard

Soderbaum · 6 June 2005, 01:00 PM

Great information Reinhard..!

His name is mostly spelled Kirchner in the sources I have but Kirschner is good enough for me....

The information about his Marine service I have, is that he stayed at Johannisthal only shortly as he already on 7 Mar 18 was ordered to the stab of Grufl Küst in Flanders.
He perhaps served as Adjutant during his service here, but I am unsure about that...

On 19 Jun 18 he was posted further to the stab of Kofl Station N. Here also another "bavarian" served...

He is also mentioned to have served at Barge but I dont have any dates for this information...and perhaps was Kofl N stationed at Barge...??... anyone knews..?

Gunnar

fliegertruppe · 6 June 2005, 02:26 PM

Gunnar,

I found in the personal report of Oberleutnant Kirschner:
8. march 1918 - 20. June 1918 Luftkrieg an der Flanderischen Küste
26. june 1918 - 11. november 1918 Luftkrieg Nordsee

Reinhard

Soderbaum · 7 June 2005, 09:25 AM

Thanks again Reinhard

I meanwhile found that it was another person (Schumann) who was Adjutant within Grufl Küst while Kirschner was there, so I really dont knew what he was doing there...

Perhaps he was involved with the establishment of the two new units (Marine Schusta II and Küsta IV) which was a big task around this time...

Gunnar

Taz · 7 June 2005, 09:49 AM

Reinhard- That is amazing.How do you find so much information on personnel?

Terry Phillips
Taz

frontflieger · 7 June 2005, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soderbaum

He is also mentioned to have served at Barge but I dont have any dates for this information

Barge - there are at least three towns of this name in northern Germany

- was an Flugstation of the Marine-Landflieger-Abteilung (headquarter Johannisthal)

Thorsten

fliegertruppe · 7 June 2005, 02:30 PM

Hello Terry,

I found many information in the bavarian Kriegsarchiv in munich.

Reinhard