Captured AEG "G.67" and Fokker built AEG C.IV

AchimEngels · 17 September 2002, 07:21 AM

Hello everybody!

I am looking for the report on the caprtured AEG aircraft that eventually became G 67.

Does anybody have that report and if so, would he be so kind to *provide a copy?

Are there photographs available of this machine?

Thanks in Advance!

Achim

Gregvan · 18 September 2002, 06:53 PM

Dear Achim,

While I do not have access to any of the original reports, I have been given some excerpts from the official reports prepared by Paul Leaman. I have the info that this machine was shot down by AA fire on the night of 3/4 Sept 1917, and was AEG G.IV 166/16. It had two Mercedes, Nrs. 29639 and 28694. The Propeller info is given as "Flugel" DRBA , 24 1/2 inch laminations: 13 of mahogany and 11 of beech, 11 of maple (?? ???) PS26 ST200 NQ (average width) 200. The propellers bore the trademark of the Kurt Flugel firm, red-orange letters KF marked on a black triangle.

The report contains a drawing of the rudder, which was marked with the Roman numeral "III" (in white, maybe ?) just above the cross insignia.

According to other sources, crew members Hauptmann Claus August Hempel (pilot)and Oblt. Hermann Knigge (observer) of KG IV/21 were taken POW at Dunkirk.

I cannot immediately recall seeing any photos of this machine. There are several photos of G 105, which was apparently AEG G. IV 1125/16.

Hope that helps.

Greg VanWyngarden

AchimEngels · 18 September 2002, 09:40 PM

Dear Greg,

Thanks a lot! I was woundering why this one is mentioned with the report on G72 and the short mention claims that the welding was carried out the same way.

Still curious. I just thought that it was one of these license built Fokker AEG´s. Obviously this was not the case, as far as I see from your post.

I also wounder if there was any of the Fokker license built AEG C.IV captured, either by the French or by another of our then enemies, and if there is a report on it available. Photographs of any of those streaky camouflaged AEG`s would also be very interesting to see. I only know of the attached one which I got from Dave Watts.

I am especially interested in learning how the camouflage paint scheme was described.

Thanks a lot!

Respectfully Your´s

Achim

GrzeM · 20 September 2002, 11:05 AM

Achim!
Some of the Fokker built C.IVs weren't streaked, for example 6545/17 and 6547/17, which are painted in one colour overall, darker than CDL, but lighter than Albatros C varnished wooden fuselage or probably green DFW or Rumpler. These planes are on the photo on the page 13 in the AEG C.IV Datafile, fuselages with tailplanes, without wings, in some repair hangar. Sorry, I don't have a scanner.

Poland had 91 AEG C.IV, many of them were Fokker built (about 20). They are visible on the photo in Morgala book, taken in Poznan-Winiary Zeppelin hangar, where up to 200 planes were captured by Poles in 1919. They looks light and solid in colour, and definitely not streaked.

Cheers!
G.

AchimEngels · 20 September 2002, 11:21 AM

Dear GrzeM,

Thanks a lot! Especially for this very interesting image.

Actually I did not know that some of the Fokker built AEG C.IV´s where painted not in the streaky finish. Interesting to learn something new all the time!

However, my questions still remains unanswered if anybody might know if any of the streaked AEG C.IV´s have been captured by the allies and if there is a report available. If so, I would especially be interested in he way they camouflaged the painting.

Thanks nevertheless again GrzeM. It was highly appriciated.

BTW let us fly together in RB3D once my Gamecontroler is working properly again

Achim

GrzeM · 20 September 2002, 03:36 PM

Achim!
AFAIK from Datafile, Fokker built C.IV and C.IVa were all trainers, so there is small possibility that some of them were captured during the war.

Now I've checked it more deeply:
In the Datafile caption under the photo you posted says:
"A stack of AEG C.IV (Fok) fuselages awaiting engine delivery at Schwerin. Contrary to instructions, the early Fokker-built C.IV biplanes were finished in the typical Fokker streaked camouflage pattern."
Main text says, that Fokker built AEGs were, as a trainers, in category of so called "Heimat Flugzeuge" and so had to meet different regulations than frontline planes, one of them said that planes should be delivered in plain finish.

Oh yes, there is another photo, of streaked AEG. and it's a captured one! By Dutch. I'll send you it.

Yes, we shoud play Red Baron together, but I'm leaving tomorrow for a week. I'll let you know if I'll be back!
Cheers!
G.