Sanger Albatross Dv in 1/24

Copperhead · 18 March 2005, 07:27 AM

Hey all, I'm finally going to get my order from USK. Not the SE5 I was wanting, but it will be the Dv in 1/24. I was really wanting the SE5, but, a Dv is better than no kit. One problem is I have Zero references. There's a few pics in the book "Illustrated Red Baron", but I'm certain the Germans had more pilots than von Richthofen. Does anyone know what decals come with this kit? Also what are the wings covered in? Lozenge, or painted? I don't have a clue about the Albatross, other than it was a Geman plane. I remember building , I believe, an old Aurora kit many years ago in '48, but I seem to remember it being red, and "Neat!". Did Göring fly one of these kites? If so, what were the colors? I'm going to really have to find some material on this one. JW

StephenLawson · 18 March 2005, 07:48 AM

Copperhead; Here are a few of my references. The scratchbuilding references maybe a bit tough to find. Yes Oblt. Göring (Jasta 27)flew an early one with a head rest, white cowling ring and tail unit. The fuselage was black. Good luck!

‘Albatros D.V/Va - The War Horse of the Luftstreitkrafte’ by S.T. Lawson, 2002 Model Aircraft Monthly Pp.54-59.
‘Albatros D.V/Va Described and Drawn’ by Ian Stair,1972 Scale Models.
‘Albatros D.Va German Fighter of WWI’ by Robert Mikesh, Smithsonian Inst. Press.
‘Albatros D.V’ by Peter Gray, 1965 Profile Pub.
‘Albatros Aces’ by Franks, 2000 Osprey #33.
‘Albatros Fighters’ Datafile Special by Ray Rimell, 1991 Albatros Pub. Ltd.
‘Albatros Scouts Described’ by Chas Schaedel, 1971 Kookaburra Tech. Pub.
Lafayette Foundation Archive at Denver Colorado USA.
‘Last Albatros’ by Colin Owers 1988 Aviation News Pp.216-221.
‘Scratchbuilding Techniques’ by Alan Clark, 1990 Scale Models Int. Pp174-5
‘Scratchbuilt Albatros D.Va’ by Alan Clark,1990 Scale Models Int. Pp.491-495
‘Spandau Machine Gun’ by David Watts,1998 WWI Aero.

Copperhead · 18 March 2005, 08:12 AM

Thanks Stephen. I'm actually becoming fascinated with "der Dicke" in WWI. He's really not the Arschelocke, he semed to be in WWtwice. I'm finding that he actually had some rough service times, and my respect for him as a soldier is going up. However his respect as an a** kissing politician still remains unchanged. Does anyone know why his aircraft markings leaned toward white? I also notice that his tailor made uniforms in WW twice seemed to lean toward the white color. I'm still curious on his "Blue Max". I've read several accounts that some people think it was awarded too soon? Not enough victories? Any ideas? Jw

StephenLawson · 18 March 2005, 08:40 AM

Check out the Aviation Award of Imperial Germany in WWI Prussian awards Pt. II by N. O' Connor. He goes into that. The white may have been a reference to his former regimental colour. The term Göring's tuxedo has come into popular usage concerning his black and white Albatros D. fighters painted black and white. I'm not sure where it derives from though. There is also an article on his personal papers in Over the Front. Again I'll have to look it up to find chapter and verse.

Copperhead · 18 March 2005, 10:37 PM

One more thing before I go Beddy-bye. Is there another stateside dealer that might have the Sanger SE5? I mean that's the kit that started this, and I really want one. I'm dreading using IRC's and such to order from Hannants, but if that's the only way....

19 March 2005, 02:58 AM

You could check E Bay or some of the advertisers in one of the model magazines such as Fine Scale Modeller.

Didn't Göring have an all white D VII ?

19 March 2005, 03:49 AM

I believe he did topgun. I think the white D VII was his last mount in WW I. I seem to recall a photo of him wearing a scarf sitting in the cockpit with that enigmatic smile. Since this was years before the beer hall putsch I doubt the smile was morphine-induced.

Brian da Basher

Copperhead · 19 March 2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by topgun56

You could check E Bay or some of the advertisers in one of the model magazines such as Fine Scale Modeller.

Didn't Göring have an all white D VII ?

Hey Topgun, evidently he did. I have the Osprey book, by Norman Franks, and Greg VanWyngarden, "Fokker DVII Aces of WWI" part 1, (I'm in the process of getting part 2), and it has excelent pics of Görings kites. It seems the all white bird must have been his last, and was painted at the factory because of the factory stenciling. I also have the "DrI Aces" book that has a nice profile of his tripe. I didn't know he had so many differrent DVII's. Does Osprey have a book on the Albatross that might have pics and a profile of his bird (s?). JW

davecww1 · 19 March 2005, 09:48 AM

Hi copperhead,
The Osprey Albatros Aces book #32 is what you want. it has a profile of Goering's Albatros D.III, which I believe is identical to his early D.V and is a fairly simple scheme to paint with a black & white fuselage, and wings are mauve & dark green over light blue, so you do not need lozenge decals for this version. Early versions of the Eduard Albatros D.V in 1/48 scale had markings & a color profile for this aircraft, I'll have to see if I can find it.
Dave

Copperhead · 21 March 2005, 10:14 AM

Thanks Dave, That would be nice as I'm betting this kit won't have lozenge decals, so painting is probably going to be the only option in 1/24. How much too small would the A/G 1/28 lozenge be? Way too small to mess with? JW