Euler military plane, which type?

[jempie]

Hello!

Here is the plane wich stranded at Arracourt France on 22 April 1913.
Its an Euler military plane with longer upperwing than underwing.
Seems the Eulers were originally based (under license built) Voisin types.

However I have a plandrawing and also the Euler biplane from Prince Heinrich von Preussen and on these the wingspan is identical from upper and lower wing!

This here is surely a later developed model!
As far I could judge this plane seems to have a "T" (tail as well!
Not a biplane direction rudder anymore!

Is the correct type known for this plane?
In General they speak only pre-WWI for this model from the Euler biplane,
but he seems to have construct modified versions from this one?

VBR

Jempie.

[jempie]

Hi !

Here added once the Euler bi-plane with prince Heinrich in it.
Upper and lower wing have identical lenght and tail has two horizontal surfaces and 2 (biplane) tail rudders!

VBR

Jempie.

[Cigogne]

Looks similar to Henri Farman type than Voisin... no baby buggy four-wheeled undercarriage.

[jempie]

Hi Cigogne!

In fact if it's Voisin or Farman plane inspired, it's beyond the question!
But my 1911 book in which the original Euler plandrawing is to find tells Euler contructed his plane on base of the Vosin, but brought on some own structural modifications!Also the weight of his plane was lower than the Voisin!

When I researched the subject "Euler planes" with coogle, I found on a few mentioned the Voisin-Euler plane!

Than notice that at Ghent, May 1908 Farman was the first aviator in Belgium to make flights...and was the first to take a lady into ythe air during
these flight exhibitions he gave here!

He was also the first to make sustained flights with passengers, up to more than 1 km!

Baron de Caters ? Not at all the first to have flown in Belgium!His flights are dating somewhere from October-November 1908!
It's Farman at Ghent who inspired him to learn to fly!

Than what's important : the plane from Farman at Ghent 1908, was a VOISIN plane!
Farman started construct his own planes somewhere September 1909!

I am looking for the data of the Euler as it was 1913!
His first concept was a bi-plane with equal wingspan above and under !
Wingspan was 10 m. (Voisin also 10 m.)

I think the wingspan of above wing of the 1913 Euler might have been longer? Lenght of original Euler was 9 m. (The voisin was heavier in deadweight and had a lenght of 10.5m)

If posted here it was because this was a military plane which might have served as well WW1, and the people were military guys!

VBR

Jempie.

[jempie]

Hi sorry but forgot to post the picture on the Vosin from Farman at Ghent 1908!

Yuo notice it's indeed not tha quite different and indeed Farmans had four landingwheels (two on two) into the landinggear..
Voisins had only two single wheels!


VBR

Jempie

[Rod_Filan]

Jempie,
I have seen this photo (your most recent post) at Ralph Cooper's site. In his Henri Farman Chronology, Ralph states:

January 14, 1908---he made a flight of 1,500m. in 1:33.
At this time he was constructing his tandem monoplane Farman II that never achieved success.
March 14, 1908---Renault 40 h.p. engine fitted and flights 500-600m. at Issy. The machine, the I-bis, had been slightly altered.
March 21---DURATION AND DISTANCE RECORD flight of 2,004.8m. in 3:31, doubling previous official flight in circular flight, the Antoinette having been reinstated.
May 1, 1908---Antoinette 60 h.p. substituted and short flights made. On may 25-June 2 exhibition flights were made in Ghent, Belgium.

This tells me it was Farman No.1 bis

I was under the impression that HF, upset with Gabriel Voisin at selling the a/c he had ordered (after initial flights at Issy) to another party (Delagrange i'm thinking)... designed and built his own biplane in late 1907
http://204.83.160.230/archive/b/images/Farman_No1.jpg

What you are saying is that Farman III was HFarman's first non-Voisin a/c ?

This thread really should move to the Pioneer Aviation Forum.

VBR
Rod

[jempie]

Happy Easter to all of you!

Hi Rod!

I post the Farmans on the pioneer aviation!
My request here was meanth to find out more on those two German occupants of the Euler plane!

But I did reread your messgae here a triple times!
Got confused a bit by!

But indeed you are a man of intelligence!

In fact it should be so that indeed the "Farman n°III" was in the first real pure own constructed HENRI FARMAN plane I have on photo!
Notice this was the first I have on photo (sofar I can make out!) which had thus the "double wheel" undercarriage ! Thus four wheels in front!
The Voisins had only two single wheels!

The picture at Ghent = two single wheels! = Voisin although it's nowhere to detect on my postcards it's a Voisin construction!

But on the postcards of n° I you have above "Henri Farman N° I" the marque printed
"Atéliers de Construction"
VOISIN
Paris.

I mean to remember it was about September 1909 Farman really constructed his own planes and started his own flying school!

At Ghent I saw photos on which he placed two vertical plans between the
upper and underwing on the supports "just beside the gondola"!
Some sail pieces...Just as on Farman 1 bis inside ones, but there they were placed on one support further away of the one beside the gondola!
Not full pieces of sail but with a "retangular hole"in it to have a good view!

So I go over to the Pioneers planes on this subject!

VBR

Jempie