SE5

Does anyone know what that line is, visible in many photos somewhat ahead of the aileron, underside upper wing???
Im looking thru some of my ref. works (Squadron Signal, etc) Some views seem to show it under lower as well, but definitely not visible in image 3rd protoype page 6 (SE5a In Action). What am I seeing in image of Ball's a/c page 12?

Also, I have Charles Bregret's(sp??)booklet with scale drawings, My take is these are relatively accurate for fuselage, but fall short in wing detail. Any comments about these. Also anyone comment about Replicraft's accuracy?
finally, Has anyone done decent drawings of the earlier SE5 (no a!)??
Thanks
Charlie

[PeterL]

Aisaliaaviation: " Has anyone done decent drawings of the earlier SE5?"

Ian Stair has a drawing in the SE5 Datafile. Some of his other Datafile drawings are slightly underscal and I haven't checked this one thoroughly. It looks Okay for outline though. There are also some excelent smaller scale drawings in the back of High in the Empty Blue

I don't have the Squadron Signal so I'll have to leave that part. Could it be the pitot tube outlet though? That usually goes up the interplane strut, across the wing, then down the centre section strut and into the cockpit. I suppose it could go down, across and up just as well.

[Mark_Miller]

Does anyone know what that line is, visible in many photos somewhat ahead of the aileron, underside upper wing???
Im looking thru some of my ref. works (Squadron Signal, etc) *Some views seem to show it under lower as well, but definitely not visible in image *3rd protoype page 6 (SE5a In Action). What am I seeing in image of Ball's a/c page 12?

Charlie
This is a tough one.
I checked through my photos and plans.
and I see no structural reason why there should be a seam at that location. Also, take a look at the restoration photos at Memorial Flight Museum - you will see that there are no structural elments in that location which could account for it
(for some reason the site appears to be down right now)

I do see the line you are refering to (I think) and it sort of looks like they glued on a second layer of fabric to the wing in the area just forward of the airlerons extending the length of the airleron and about 8-12 inches wide (?).
In the photos I'm looking at it appears to go over the rib tape.
Maybe this area was prone to ripping ? so they wanted to strengthen it ???
I don't know - Just a wild a$# guess

I have a close up of the Se5 in the Australian Museum and it shows something like this on the top of the lower wing.
I also see it on the photo of the second se5 prototype on the bottom of the top wing.

sorry - best i can do
Mark

Hi *

that' a good one *

What you see is one sort of aileron seal, it is made out of wood covered with linen and put on after covering; it goes on both sides of the wings.(we have a drawing)

you can see the same things on Nieuports or LVGs for exemple, but they are linen reinforced with flat springs .

About Replicraft, we compared Sop 1 1/2 strutter drawings with original plans , they are spot on. Only the D VII leads to question
but they do agree with that

regards

Al

[Mark_Miller]

Slot
Thanks for the clarification.
Do you have any idea why you don't see this on all Se5s?
judging from what photos I have available to look at, it would seem that most AC did not have this seal.

BTW - your site is one of my favorites.
Best place on the web to find photos of structure and internal components.
My compliments to you and your organisation

keep up the good work
Mark

[Dan_San_Abbott]

visaliaaviation:
* *Charlie, to improve the air flow over the ailerons the Royal Aircraft Factory designer, H.P. Folland had attached wood fairing strips on the top and bottom faces of the rear spar that extended aft from the .85", to close the gap between the aileron and rear spar.
After the linen wing cover was attached, a frayed fabric strip was doped on the top and bottom cover and to the rear face of the aileron spar. The frayed strip extended forward of the wood fairing 3" on the top and bottom surfaces. *That is the line you are seeing. It was on all S.E.5a wings,upper and lower. Ref. Dwg No. A17735.
* * * * * * * * * * * blue skies,
* * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan-San