Breguet 's crash file challenge #208

[Froggy]

Bonsoir tout le monde

Here is a new challenge

I do like the photo of this crashed plane even , may be, this challenge is not hard enough to find for all our Crash Aces

Be careful and as our " hungry crash " Fellow Jay should have say
"All others with ZERO to 4.999 may start immediately if not sooner!"

The scoreboard of Breguet's Crash File Challenge #208 begins as follows:

23.3 Rbailey
21.1 FokkerJ Feuchtwanger
16.9 Froggy
14.65 YavorD
11.35 Breguet
07.6 Rod_Filan
07.4 Gregvan
07.3 Varese2002
07.0 Flamingo
07.0 ONEALM
05.75 Ross
05.5 Expositor
05.5 Gilles
05.0 Aquilius
05.0 Dan_San
04.0 Edmond
04.0 Eric
04.0 Kilian
03.5 sergio_vitalio
03.0 Crimso
03.0 Laserlloyd
02.7 Colin A Owers
02.25 Patrick
02.2 Crankcase
02.0 Cruze
02.0 Rickenbaron
01.8 Tom L
01.7 Tbstreet
01.25 Ransom E. Olds
01.2 Jeroplan
01.0 Ampovandak
01.0 Berman
01.0 Cliff
01.0 PaulForster
01.0 Pvernon
01.0 Troy Raines
01.0 rammjaeger
00.5 Miroslav Pokorny




cordialement
Bruno

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Froggy

Bonsoir tout le monde

Here is a new challenge

I do like the photo of this crashed plane even , may be, this challenge is not hard enough to find for all our Crash Aces

Be careful and as our " hungry crash " Fellow Jay should have say
"All others with ZERO to 4.999 may start immediately if not sooner!"





cordialement
Bruno

Hello Bruno,

It looks easy enough!

The only thing that I see is possibly a Hannover CL. II or III.

VBR, FOKKERJ

[Rbailey]

I am not much good with engines, but this looks more Argus than Mercedes to me, which would make it CL II or CL IIIa, so not much help. I don't see the remains of tailplane struts, which would make it late CL IIIa.

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

I am not much good with engines, but this looks more Argus than Mercedes to me, which would make it CL II or CL IIIa, so not much help. I don't see the remains of tailplane struts, which would make it late CL IIIa.

There appears to possibly be a strut from the starboard stabilizer leaning to the fin, just in front of the fence.

[ONEALM]

Look at the tailplane - it's balanced. The Hawa's were not so.

I'll say it's a Roland D.IIa.

[Rbailey]

The elevator tips look too rounded for Roland. I don't see the balance, but that just might be me. If the "things" on the tail is a strut, it would still fit the Hannover CL IIIa, but the one leaning toward the fin is too long.

On second thought, I now agree with ONEALM. The tailplane is too far forward from the fin for Hannover, and the strut then fits. Still puzzled by the elevator tip.

[ONEALM]

I didn't catch the balance at first either - it's in the red box - you can just see the hinge at the far left corner. Also the Hawa's did not have those external bellcranks for the airleron torque tubes.

The left rear of the cockpit is still visible too - not the squared off deck of the gunners 'pit that I would expect on the Hawa. I think the location of the rudder cable lead is too high on the fuselage too to be a Hawa - but now I'm just speculating....

I think the airplane overall (even all busted up) is entirely too small for a Hawa though. The engine gives some scale. I'm sticking to my gun(s).

[Gregvan]

Where, oh where do you get these wonderful photos, Bruno?

Would it be possible for me to get higher-resolution scans from you, perhaps in exchange for some of my own?

Congratulations on some great images!

Greg VanWyngarden

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by ONEALM

I didn't catch the balance at first either - it's in the red box - you can just see the hinge at the far left corner. Also the Hawa's did not have those external bellcranks for the airleron torque tubes.

The left rear of the cockpit is still visible too - not the squared off deck of the gunners 'pit that I would expect on the Hawa. I think the location of the rudder cable lead is too high on the fuselage too to be a Hawa - but now I'm just speculating....

I think the airplane overall (even all busted up) is entirely too small for a Hawa though. The engine gives some scale. I'm sticking to my gun(s).

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

There appears to possibly be a strut from the starboard stabilizer leaning to the fin, just in front of the fence.

LFG Roland D.II, D.IIa (180hp Argus As.III), I could not find an image of the D.III.
The stabilizer strut mentioned earlier, starts where the elevator is balanced (starboard), then angles up to the corner of the fin's top, rearmost corner.

The stabilizer is mid section of the aft fuselage (on the Hannover, the lower stabilizer is lower on the aft fuselage).
The fuselage and everything visible screams ROLAND D.IIa!

I originally saw the balanced elevator and wrote it off as an opticular dillusion! Silly me!

Good Job ONEALM.

VBR, FOKKERJ

[Froggy]

Hello all

First I apologize not to give an answer sooner,but as you know , there is a great time shedule difference between Europ and our Usa fellows
and yersterday evening i saw a very interesting and emotional reportage at TV " The war"-
Concerning this challenge,a bad resolution of the photo can be seen here
Avions exposés à Nancy2

Yes Onealm, congratulations, it was a Roland D!
This plane was brought down by Sgt Le Mée on 23 may 1917, at Le Parroy forest-The pilot, POW, was uffz Tolischuss

Greg , I scanned the photo for this challenge, from a french magazine-
In this magazine the photo is at a very high resolution (looks like the photo was taken yersterday!!!!), I'll scan again the photo at a higher resolution
and send it to you by e-mail? (if others are interested tell me please)

Thanks very much to all participants
and Onealm it is up to you now, if you agree

cordialement
Bruno

The scoreboard atthe end of Breguet's Crash File Challenge #208 as follows:

23.3 Rbailey
21.1 FokkerJ Feuchtwanger
16.9 Froggy
14.65 YavorD
11.35 Breguet
08.0 ONEALM
07.6 Rod_Filan
07.4 Gregvan
07.3 Varese2002
07.0 Flamingo
05.75 Ross
05.5 Expositor
05.5 Gilles
05.0 Aquilius
05.0 Dan_San
04.0 Edmond
04.0 Eric
04.0 Kilian
03.5 sergio_vitalio
03.0 Crimso
03.0 Laserlloyd
02.7 Colin A Owers
02.25 Patrick
02.2 Crankcase
02.0 Cruze
02.0 Rickenbaron
01.8 Tom L
01.7 Tbstreet
01.25 Ransom E. Olds
01.2 Jeroplan
01.0 Ampovandak
01.0 Berman
01.0 Cliff
01.0 PaulForster
01.0 Pvernon
01.0 Troy Raines
01.0 rammjaeger
00.5 Miroslav Pokorny