Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #140

[Varese2002]

Breguet's Aircraft Challenge #140
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When you take your first look at this one you may think this is very familiar BUT a closer look will reveal all sorts of differences. What is to be resurrected in this challenge?

Kees



Scoreboard at the start of #140:

25.7 Varese2002
10.9 Dave_Kent
9.5 Rbailey
9.3 Rod Filan
7.0 Breguet
7.0 YavorD
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 EdStevens
5.3 Colin A. Owers
4.7 JohnMacG
4.1 bshatzer
4 greenknight
3.3 Cruze
3 Gilles
2.7 dpolglaze
2.4 Ross Moorhouse
2 Tom L
1.7 Berman
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1 Peter Zambori
1 Gregoire
1 cubsfan4life
1 austin08
1 Cliff
.4 Vilkata
.2 Paul_J._Fisher

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[Breguet]

Obviously the result of a Farman/Nieuport collision!

[Dave_Kent]

Molle II, perhaps at the 1913 Russian Military trails

Dave

[YavorD]

Originally Posted by Dave_Kent

Molle II, perhaps at the 1913 Russian Military trails

Dave

Check spelling Dave!
Regards,
Yavor

[Dave_Kent]

THANKS, Yavor!

The 'r' had worn off the caption of the photo,

Try Moller II, don't know how to do the .. over the 'o',

I have some more info that I will pull up (after I finish the dishes).

Dave

[Dave_Kent]

The aircraft was designed by F. EW. Moska and was powered by a 100 hp Gnome. In the 1913 military trials, the Gnome engine tore loose and fell from the machine hitting the Sikorsky ‘Russki Vityaz’ which happened to be flying directly below. It crashed killing the crew. The Moller II survived, but I don’t know its subsequent history.

Dave

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by Dave_Kent

Moller II, don't know how to do the .. over the 'o'

Dave,
I believe spelling it Moeller is acceptable if you dont have an ö in your holster.

Cheers

[berman]

From what I have been told, the Sikorsky was parked on the airfield when it was hit. Imperial Russian Air Service by Flying Machines Press just says that the left wing was severely damaged and the aircraft was not rebuilt because the structure was weakened beyond repair.No mention of any crew being killed in the Russian Knight. Was the Sikorsky parked or flying?

[Dave_Kent]

The version I reported was from RUSSIAN CIVIL AND MILITARY AIRCRAFT…, Nowarrra, 1970, page 23. The more recent Maslov book, RUSSIAN AEROPLANES 1914 - 1918, (which I just checked), however, carries the tamer account. THE STORY OF THE WINGED S, Sikorsky, 1967 printing, page 93/94, (also just checked), carries Sikorsky’s own eye-witness account of the incident, the tamer story.

I don’t know Nowarra’s source, but it certainly looks suspect.

Dave

[YavorD]

Hi!

From Shavrovs' book:

...именно с него в полете сорвался двигатель и упал на самолет “Русский витязь”, стоявший на земле. Однако стержни фермы на “Меллере-II” не были разрушены и летчик А. М. Габер-Влынский сумел благополучно совершить посадку.

... this was the plane from which a Gnome rotary fell on a Русский витязь (Russkiy vityaz) parked on the ground. Nevertheless, Meller II structure members remained intact and the pilot A. M. Gaber-Vlyinskiy was able to land safely. (quite a rough translation)

The plane was Меллер II (Mеллер No.2) or Meller II, which took part in 1913 competition. Contemporary spelling was probably Меллеръ.

Ю. А. Меллер was a manager of a Дукс (Dux) company. Yu. A. Meller was of German ancestry, he changed his name to Брежнев (Brezhnev) at the outbreak of war.

Regards,
Yavor