Bréguet's Aircraft Challenge #762

[Patrick]

This one has a colorful history.



Enjoy & good luck!

The scores at the start of Challenge #762 are:

133.90 Varese2002 ¤¤
96.90 Dave_Kent ¤
84.20 Rbailey ¤
37.40 richard B ¤
33.30 Cruze ¤
26.80 Aquilius ¤
25.30 Lodzermensch ¤
22.20 YavorD
21.35 Froggy
16.90 Flamingo
13.80 Rod Filan
10.45 GregE
10.00 Breguet
09.70 Dan-San
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
08.30 Patrick
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.10 Colin A. Owers
07.25 Ermeio
06.70 Ampovandak
06.70 Berman
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.90 Doc
05.70 AROTH
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Maze
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L
05.00 sobrien ..........................have to wait 12 hours
04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.20 Rufe
04.00 greenknight
03.90 Brad
03.00 Catfish
03.00 John McKenzie
03.00 SCMc
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 HoHun
02.50 Rexee
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

Previous Challenges can be seen here:

Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

The Rules of the Challenge are:

-The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
-The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
-The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
-The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
-Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's -Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !).
-If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
-Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
-To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
-The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
-If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
-The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET

[Dave_Kent]

Patrick is checking this one.

Dave

[Breguet]

Redesigned enough to be different!

[Patrick]

So we continue with this photo, the 12-hour mark is still measured from the first post.

You can cinch this one by naming the designer, the manufacturer, and telling how you ID'd it.

Resume your search right . . . now!

[Dave_Kent]

¾ rear view of the 4 engined SSW Forssmam “R”.

[Aquilius]

Well, Dave is obviously right with the Siemens-Schuckert Forsman Giant or R-type that did not got a roman numbering. But he missed rule #8.

I haven't seen a rear-view so far, but this clumsy fuselage and the 4 four tractor engines are a clear hint, including the (occupied) gunner pulpit.

But the plane here is not in the layout Villehad Henrik Forssman had initially designed it. The early wing structure proved to be too weak and 6 additional struts had to placed either side. Then Forssman redesigned the wings and cause the plane was exceptional tail-heavy he added a gunner gondola at the front which one can make out at the front, where a fellow is looking over the rim. Also the engines got a streamlined covering that they did not had before. Just the plane (maybe thankfully) did not fly - mainly because the engine power was too weak and Forssman lost his job with Siemens.

Later with Harold Wolff and the Steffen Brothers further changes were made including more powerful engines installed and the aircraft finally flew. I believe only twice. After it passed it's acceptance test the wings broke into pieces while the engines were test-running on the ground...

Does someone know if it ever got an official registration since it was purchased by the army?

Cheers

Aquilius